Is test really needed??....

[miskell]

For people that dont want to bulk up or gain too much weight, is test really necessary in a cycle? Rather than a test/winnie combo, what would be the likely effects of say

primo 300mg wk- 8 weeks
winstrol 100mg/eod (or 50mg/pd)
PCT - Nolvadex

Would this stack promote solid lean mass without bulk, or should most cycles have a test base regardless. Thanks a lot

 

[JohnnyB]

Test "it's what men are made of" Here a better question, why wouldn't you want to run test if your only doing 1 drug and don't want to make big gains?

JohnnyB

 

[miskell]

Purely because I compete in athletics and martial arts where I need speed and flexibility, and would be weary of gaining to much weight. I just thought that maybe winnie/primo would add lean muscle but not as much as test/winnie

 

[Boilerkid]

it is completely possible to make gains without testosterone. many people have done it using simple cycles, deca/dbol is probably the most common of them. so yes, you can skip test and still make gains.

 

[JerseyPaul]

The weight you gain is much more dictated by the amount of food you eat. If you run a test/winny, or test/tren/winny cycle, and stay at maintenance calories you should get the results you desire.

 

[DADAWG]

The weight you gain is much more dictated by the amount of food you eat. If you run a test/winny, or test/tren/winny cycle, and stay at maintenance calories you should get the results you desire.

 

[map200uk]

it is completely possible to make gains without testosterone. many people have done it using simple cycles, deca/dbol is probably the most common of them. so yes, you can skip test and still make gains.

deca/dbol may be used to make gains...but its not a good cycle, the deca shuts u down hard,

test is best!

test should be the base of any cycle

 

[jarbulldog]

i have read that prop does not give the bulk gains like the other tests

 

[map200uk]

jarbulldog, that's true..prop is useful for cutting, as its the test with the least water retention

 

[DADAWG]

i have read that prop does not give the bulk gains like the other tests

test is test is test , prop is just a ester as is cyp or eth . all the ester does is determine how slowly the test releases into the body . the same mass gains can be made with prop that can be made with cyp or eth

 

[Got Fina?]

I ran a Fina/Winny cycle last year and actually lost alot of lbm while dropping from 15% to 6%. This yeat im running Fina/prop and doing the same diet and am looking much fuller. I think the diet is what either lets u gain alot of weight or lets u loose fat while keeping muscle. I think its all about the diet not the gear u choose...

Good luck......

 

[miskell]

thanks a lot everyone