Is Tren Ace stronger than Tren E mg for mg

[Sizewize]

I know test prop is stronger mg for mg than test Enanthate does Tren work the same way ?

 

[eldoka]

also makes you more stupid

 

[Cobra Strike]

I dont think that prop is stronger than test e or tren a is stronger than tren e...I believe its all based on the ester and how fast it is released into your system.

 

[NuderedDog]

I dont think that prop is stronger than test e or tren a is stronger than tren e...I believe its all based on the ester and how fast it is released into your system.

what? have you considered the ester molecular weight? if one ester weights less than the other then obviously there will be more active substance in the solution with the less-weighing ester

edit: and to answer ops question, acetate weights roughly twice as little as enanthate. so you get more active substance from tren acetate

 

[Sizewize]

I dont think that prop is stronger than test e or tren a is stronger than tren e...I believe its all based on the ester and how fast it is released into your system.

Hey cobra Im sure tren ace should be stronger slightly I've heard it before many times but I don't know by how much do for example:

how much would 75mg tren ace eod (6days)(week) = upto tren enanthate week ?
Confusssing

 

[Juicer2222]

Ya I cant tell u how much, but tren a is definately stronger mg per mg. The enanthate ester makes up like 35% of the mg, the ace makes up like 5% of the mg. There is another thread on ester weights.

 

[UserAt204]

On a mg for mg basis, more will be used up With acetate then enanthate ester. I can't remember the exact number. Like cobra said, it's due to half life.

 

[Cobra Strike]

Hey cobra Im sure tren ace should be stronger slightly I've heard it before many times but I don't know by how much do for example:

how much would 75mg tren ace eod (6days)(week) = upto tren enanthate week ?
Confusssing

the thing is with e your levels are compounding in your blood....with a they cleave to fast to ever biuld on itself so if you ran 75mg eod (mon,wed,fri,) you would be at roughly 225mg one week and 300mg the next ( sun, tues, thurs, sat) but I wouldnt know the conversion to make them equal...I dont think its possible to match the two on a cycle so the amounts equal one another.

I think the reason people think one is stronger than the other is based on how they are feeling the release into the system. Obviously your going to feel tren a in a different way the tren e.

again either way I believe its based on the way the ester cleaves...mg per mg tren is tren but I am no expert.

I will always choose a long ester over a short for the compounding levels and the more even levels of the blood....everyone has their own preference though

 

[Pinnacle@Rep]

what? have you considered the ester molecular weight? if one ester weights less than the other then obviously there will be more active substance in the solution with the less-weighing ester

edit: and to answer ops question, acetate weights roughly twice as little as enanthate. so you get more active substance from tren acetate

Tren is Tren dude! Test is Test!!! Just because an ester is heavier and therefore leaves less actual Tren in the solution because the extra mass and weight of the ester is making the actual concentration of the Tren less does not mean that the actual Trenbolone Portion of the Tren Enanthat molecule weaker!!! Tren is tren! Period! It is the same strength no matter how you slice it cause it is the same molecule! The difference is that with the Ester attached to certain molecules giving it more or less weight makes the concentration of tren different in each different ester therefore giving you more tren in one thing and less in another! But both tren's in each one are still tren, tren, tren, tren, is tren is tren!!!

 

[Pinnacle@Rep]

the thing is with e your levels are compounding in your blood....with a they cleave to fast to ever biuld on itself so if you ran 75mg eod (mon,wed,fri,) you would be at roughly 225mg one week and 300mg the next ( sun, tues, thurs, sat) but I wouldnt know the conversion to make them equal...I dont think its possible to match the two on a cycle so the amounts equal one another.

I think the reason people think one is stronger than the other is based on how they are feeling the release into the system. Obviously your going to feel tren a in a different way the tren e.

again either way I believe its based on the way the ester cleaves...mg per mg tren is tren but I am no expert.

I will always choose a long ester over a short for the compounding levels and the more even levels of the blood....everyone has their own preference though

And like Cobra said, the way the ester cleaves has a big portion to do with it! If you have say 100 grams of tren Enanthate, it is a heavier ester, so imagine that 30 grams (just using a number) is the weight of the Enanthate ester. So with TE you have a concentration of 70 grams actual tren where with Acetate the Ester weighs say 5 grams of the 100 grams of powder so in the Acetate you end up with 95 grams Tren. There is more Tren Pound for pound in the Acetate (of course not that drastic of a difference as my explanation looks) And throw in the fact that the Acetate ester disburses faster in the body and it makes Acetate feel and seem stronger but Tren is Tren no matter what ester is attached to it. If you did 700mg of Tren Acetate a wk, I would say that 1000mgs of Tren Enanthate would be close to putting your Tren levels the same as the Ace at 700mgs per week, and you will feel the same exact pumps and hunger and results.

 

[Pinnacle@Rep]

Hey cobra Im sure tren ace should be stronger slightly I've heard it before many times but I don't know by how much do for example:

how much would 75mg tren ace eod (6days)(week) = upto tren enanthate week ?
Confusssing

So try this.... 35% is Enanthate and 5% is Acetate as far as the portion of ester in the Tren. Use 100 as a base number cause it's easier to work with so say 100mg/ml. 100mg of Acetate means 95mg of actual Tren, by eod, = 3x95= 285mg/week of Tren in the acetate form. Now to get how much Enanthate you need to equal that you say, 100mg, Enanthate is 35% of that leaving you with 65mg of actual Tren in Enanth at 100mgs so 285 divided by 65=4.4
So this would mean that you need 4.4 mls per week of Tren Enanthate to equal total amount of mg of Tren you are receiving per week of Acetate. So to wrap it up, in the first week you used 300mg of Tren Ace getting a total of 285 mg of actual Tren and With Enanthate you will need 440mg of Tren Enanthate per week giving you a total of 285 mg of Tren per week. Now drop 25% from that to bring it back down from 100mg/ml to the 75mg/ml you were using and say 4mls per week of Tren Enanthate (really 3.6 or 3.7 or something) but just say 4mls a week of enanthate would equal your 3 mls a week of Acetate. Roughly, on all this.

 

[ChrisWho?]

Prop pr 100mg contains 86mgs of prop, the other is the molecular weight. Enanthat is around 68ms per 100mg and theres a chart somewhere i'ma try and find it. It's also been on threads here too. Has nothing to do with "cleaving" in this situation.

 

[Pinnacle@Rep]

Sorry Jstarks, but you are wrong. The prop per 100mg contains 86mgs of prop per 100mg, the other is the molecular weight. Enanthat is around 68ms per 100mg and theres a chart somewhere i'ma try and find it. It's also been on threads here too.ing to do with cleaving in this situation.

I'm pretty sure you just said what I said! The molecule of Test or Tren is a molecule! It is still that molecule no matter what ester is attached to it, it maintains its shape and is still the molecule, if it were changed and was a different shape then it ceases to be that molecule and becomes something else which in turn would not make it Tren or Test period. The molecule is what it is and there is no strength difference in a molecule! Like I said and it looks like you said as well "The actual amount of the molecule of tren is in a higher concentration in one ester form and in lower concentration in the other ester form" therefore the molecule itself of tren or test is not less weak or more strong but just more abundant in one and less abundant in the other!

 

[ChrisWho?]

I'm pretty sure you just said what I said! The molecule of Test or Tren is a molecule! It is still that molecule no matter what ester is attached to it, it maintains its shape and is still the molecule, if it were changed and was a different shape then it ceases to be that molecule and becomes something else which in turn would not make it Tren or Test period. The molecule is what it is and there is no strength difference in a molecule! Like I said and it looks like you said as well "The actual amount of the molecule of tren is in a higher concentration in one ester form and in lower concentration in the other ester form" therefore the molecule itself of tren or test is not less weak or more strong but just more abundant in one and less abundant in the other!

Ya, after I wrote it up I went and re-read thats why I edited. Sorry. There was alot to read so I only skimmed your first long post

 

[ChrisWho?]

I'm pretty sure you just said what I said! The molecule of Test or Tren is a molecule! It is still that molecule no matter what ester is attached to it, it maintains its shape and is still the molecule, if it were changed and was a different shape then it ceases to be that molecule and becomes something else which in turn would not make it Tren or Test period. The molecule is what it is and there is no strength difference in a molecule! Like I said and it looks like you said as well "The actual amount of the molecule of tren is in a higher concentration in one ester form and in lower concentration in the other ester form" therefore the molecule itself of tren or test is not less weak or more strong but just more abundant in one and less abundant in the other!

What I wrote is the mg per 100mg. And yes the difference is so small no one would ever notice which is why it's pointless.

 

[Pinnacle@Rep]

Ya, after I wrote it up I went and re-read thats why I edited. Sorry. There was alot to read so I only skimmed your first long post

Ha! I should have been a literature major and not a Chemistry major huh??? I can write a damn book if you let me!!! No, on the cleaving part, from my days in Organic Chemistry it was well known that the body processes esters differently. Some esters attached to certain molecules can make that molecule pass directly through the body with no absorption whatsoever because some esters are immune to attack by our enzymes. So in a normally absorbing compound like Creatine for example, there have been cases where some company's ran tests on their new product and had certain esters attached to their creatine products and their test subjects were absorbing absolutely none of the creatine ingested. This may not be the case with this AAS products in discussion but esters do affect the body's absorption rates.

 

[Cobra Strike]

see....I told you I was no expert

 

[Mudge]

The longer the ester, the more weight by percentage.

 

[Greybeard]

Damn... I might need some Adderall or Ritalin.

I can't even read what your writing Chris, your avatar keeps pulling my eyes away!