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Hey guys,

Taken a long time off this forum, now that I am back it seems that I am a little rusty in my knowledge. I'm looking at taking steroids in the near future but before I do I want to build myself up a good base. I am considering taking sarms. Was contemplating ostarine. I plan to take a minimal dosage of around 10-15mg ED for a period of 3-4 months. I'm doing this to try and ensure that I do not shut down natural testosterone as immediately after this I will start a steroid cycle.

In terms of sarms what would you guys recommend? I'd like to know the top competitors in this field so I can do some research. Ideally I would like to take an amount that doesn't shut down my natural testosterone.

The sponsor on this forum sarmssearch is pretty expensive compared to other websites I have seen online. Is this because the quality is better than sarms1 for example or is this just a company that is trying to pull out as much money from each customer as possible?
 
Hey guys,

Taken a long time off this forum, now that I am back it seems that I am a little rusty in my knowledge. I'm looking at taking steroids in the near future but before I do I want to build myself up a good base. I am considering taking sarms. Was contemplating ostarine. I plan to take a minimal dosage of around 10-15mg ED for a period of 3-4 months. I'm doing this to try and ensure that I do not shut down natural testosterone as immediately after this I will start a steroid cycle.

In terms of sarms what would you guys recommend? I'd like to know the top competitors in this field so I can do some research. Ideally I would like to take an amount that doesn't shut down my natural testosterone.

The sponsor on this forum sarmssearch is pretty expensive compared to other websites I have seen online. Is this because the quality is better than sarms1 for example or is this just a company that is trying to pull out as much money from each customer as possible?

That's gonna be a problem. No free ride.

My two cents is that if you are going to shut down yoour HPTA you might as well use AAS.
 
A few years ago I came across the problem as in what to take when coming off a cycle. All the stuff about a proper pct and you will keep your gains etc is bullshit. It is possibly true for a very very small circle of people and these are the guys that are taking minimal amounts of steroids but say for someone that is taking a test and tren cycle, you can't expect to keep the gains.

This time around I am doing things slower. I'm in a much worse position that I was a few years ago health wise but financially I am pretty well off. Saying this I like to get the best bang for my buck. In regards to Sarms, the research online that I have done so far is not solid as it seems it is dose dependent and also dependent on the individual.

The more I read about sarms the less I am wanting to take them. I am now considering doing a primobolan or anavar cycle or possibly a combination.

I agree on the no free ride, shit when I used to post on this forum people barely go out of their way to help with info lol. If sarms do shut down natural test then I will go the steroid route. This brings me back to what I should do when I come off them. Do I go on HGH? HGH is a hormone not a lot of people like because of enlargement and I don't think this is dose dependent since I have read people taking 4ius per day and then get gh gut.

I would appreciate input. Im certain I am not the only person thinking like this. I dont want to dive in hardcore, I want to build up my cycles slowly.

What I am thinking at the moment is doing Primobolan at 300mg per week and 10mg anavar per day. Anavar take for the first 8 weeks and primobolan take for 12 weeks.

2nd cycle would be 250mg test e per week and primobolan at 400mg per week for 12 weeks.

3rd cycle would be 500mg test e per week and primobolam at 500mg per week for 12 weeks.

4th cycle would be test e at 500mg per week and primobolan at 600mg per week.

Some pointers I want to add. I have always been one of those small guys that is very strong. Regularly keeping up on lifts with guys that are 5/6 stone heavier than me back when I was training. I have no desire to become a competitive athlete or increase risk to myself by adding in dbol, winstrol etc etc. My aim is to become lean at under 10% bf, maintain this at around 14 stone weight on a 5 8 frame.

The only things that I would consider that are outside of my comfort zone would be ephedrine and t3. I need a bit of a boost when it comes to burning fat. I am severely obese at the moment.

The cycles mentioned above are my 2 years worth of cycles. 3 months on, 3 months off. Now the question is what do I take when off? HGH, peptides, sarms, natural test boosters?

What! Lol

EDIT: Just want to add, don't worry about giving any diet advice please and telling me diet needs to be key. I did an experiment with 3Js help a few years back with really good results. This was pretty much getting my diet to a t so I have that area covered.
 
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Welcome back.

I wont try to tell you it s about diet as you ve been w 3j so that points moot.
I will say that EVERY cycle needs a test base...every cycle needs a test base as you will shut natty production down...period.
That being said I d like to remind you AAS thrive in a caloric rich environment . Of course u can do a recomp w AAS if u take into account high body fat...real high will increase...may increase estro conversions sides ergo the need for ai s is more important than say me..and I only run ai s when my bloat get s out of hand. E2 s usually the culprit and I can feel the water IN MY FACE and almost, almost tell you what percent over the high end range for e2 my hormones are at...but I been lifting pinning since 84. Pretty dialed in..

I m glad your here...no question is a bad one except that which is not asked.

Again welcome.
 
Hey man,

Thanks for the input. OK let's think this one through. The every cycle needs a test base is something I also used to preach to everyone. Their is no scientific basis for it correct. It's just because well as a male we produce testosterone so this is what we should take to begin with correct?

I've narrowed my steroid of choice down to primobolan. I've chose this because from the research has online the gains are solid lean muscle, I won't pack on a huge amount of weight. The weight I put on I am likely to keep. It is the only steroid that will build muscle is a calorie deficit diet, it will provide decent strength gains and studies also show that it doesn't shut you down as hard as any other steroid including testosterone so it seems like the way to go for me.

Now anavar I am wanting to add to give it that tiny boost. Why anavar? It is the second safest steroid, the gains and lean and also easy to maintain, weight gain is slow and it is mainly a strength steroid. It targets visceral fat directly being the only steroid to do so and it doesn't shut you down hard.

Anavar and primobolan have both been approved for use in children with studies backing this up.

You probably want to know why not testosterone. I am not ready to do a "full" steroid cycle, I don't want to hit my body so hard my natural test will be shut down which has been proven with taking just 100mg of test a week and the Primobolan and anavar stack seems like a really good choice.

I will be taking t3 and ephedrine on this cycle. T3 I really don't want to take but I feel like I have little choice. I am so out of shape it is unbelievable I let myself get this far and to maintain some sanity and give myself the motivation to get back into it I need that chest which is where the t3 comes in.

I pretty much only plan to take primobolan anavar t3 and ephedrine and some creatine on this cycle. This I consider to be the cycle that will kick start my ass back into it.

I hope I am making the correct choice here. I'm not ready to take test but would be willing to if it makes sense. At the moment it kind of makes sense but more from the side of bro science that means I should take test. Am I right or wrong here?


Also wanted to add have been thinking of taking hcg 500iu twice a week. Is this good, bad or idiot proof?
 
Anavar alone will shut you down. Any anabolic will. That's the scientific reason behind test being the base for every cycle. Younger guys seem to do this all the time thinking that it's just a mild oral, not a real cycle. Then they start experiencing low T symptoms. Still making modest gains, but they are shut down and recovering is no different than if they had used a test base.
 
I agree with that all steroids do shut you down however at 10mg ED of Anavar the shut down can't be hard right?
 
I can't really speak to dosage when it comes to anavar (I don't use it). I've just seen a few people try and fail to run it without shutdown. I would think that if it wasn't enough to shut you down it probably wouldn't be enough to mess with.
 
Your hpta is either on or off w intro of exo hormones. Period. It s not like the water faucet in your sink where u can add a little hot water to keep from running only cold.

It s a real e z rule. To do a cycle and still be a man ie erections, stable mood etc....u need test..intro exo AAS of any kind at any dose--limp dicked albeit maybe ripped---male.
 
I agree with that all steroids do shut you down however at 10mg ED of Anavar the shut down can't be hard right?

Shut down means shut down. On or off.

So, if you take steroids your endogenous test is turned off. If you don't put exogenous test in your body you will be devoid of Test. Humans need test to function properly. That is why it must be included in your cycle. It has to be run at least at a TRT dose.

How obese are you? What is your body fat %?

Please click on the FAQs link below in my signature. It will help you understand how to run a cycle.
 
I would recomend getting blood work done before cycling to make sure your healthy enough to use steroids and to figure out what your testosterone levels are at right now. If you have gained as much weight as you make it sound like it would be a good idea to at least start doing some cardio and eating healthy before you hop on steroids. The more fat you have the more likely you are to have estrogen related problems. It sucks getting back in shape naturally without steroids but I would highly recommend to at least get back in good health before using any performance enhancing substances. I just don't think its a good idea to do a cycle when your really out of shape or in bad health and you kind of hinted at the fact that you could be overweight and in bad health. I think your best bet would be to try your hardest to get in the best natural shape you can before considering steroids or just make sure your healthy enough to cycle. I've seen overweight people make transformations while on cycle and get good results I just think it raises the health risks associated with steroids to use them if you are unhealthy or overweight.
 
Guys Im beginning to see why I used to hang around here a lot. The help is really usful. I dont know my exact percentage but I would say like 35%. Really obese on a small frame too
 
If you have ran a few cycles, you know what to do. If you haven't been training start, and eat well. Mega is right, you may as well use aas, use a low dose of test just like someone who is starting a first cycle, but you have muscle memory on your side.
 
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