I've been away for a while and im thinking about running a cylce

[halfwit]

Halfwit... a definite tip of the hat for the maths brother... but I really gotta pull you up on your lack of cardio intensity today!

You got stuff on your mind buddy??

Haha, that's all the doc will let me do after surgery until I see him again.

An hour on the bike felt like foreplay without the sex.

 

[49ER]

Heres a study on tren i found

TREN A is fucken awsome this wonderful hormone originally intended for cattle will give you big lean muscles with veins and shit researchers say. You can eat icecream and the tren ace square m2 molecules will cause this crazy glycogen storing stuff and make you grow lean and full. It causes these foods to shuttle little DNA and molecules in all the right places.

Research suggests that as little as 100mg eod will make you look fucking cool and chicks will wanna go out there way and compliment your gains. The tren molecule nucleus will also change your face giving it a masculine look. Studys also show it too cause trensomnia heavy sweating due too your body becoming a fat burning furnace, also will make you a little crazy and wanna cuss people out if they stare at you. So please use this with caution and enjoy all the muscle and veiny stuff the molecule nucleus mc square inhibitor ace causes.
By Trent Mast Testoviron MD

 

[MattyIce]

You know I have nothing but respect for you, and while the number I gave was purely for arguments sake - I can do the math for you.

The formula used would be exponential decay, which is given as:
P(t) = P0e^r(t). P being the amount of remaining hormone, P0 being the initial value, t being the time period, and r being the half-life decay rate. We know some of the values and can fill in the blanks for the rest to find our variable "r", in order to demonstrate the number I have given.

For this example, let's assume that we're on 800mg of deca, which (assuming similar metabolism as testosterone cleavage), should give blood serum values of around 4000ng/dL. This is not an exact figure, but to provide explanation for my reasoning should be sufficient.

So we use P(t) = 4000, and knowing that decanoate has a half-life of 15 days can solve for r. 2000 = 4000e^-r(15). 2k is half of P0, which occurs at t=15, we plug this in and find that r = 0.0462098120373 = 4.62098120373%.

Now that we have r, we can solve for any other part of the equation. Be it time, initial values, or final value from decay.

So... Let's see what happens at t = 6months (180 days):
X = 4000e^-0.0462(180), X being the amount of hormone at that time. Solving for X gives us 0.978288796202ng/dL. Okay, so my example was off by a couple hundred-billionths of a gram.

Do you really think that less than 1ng/dL is going to provide ANY hypertrophic response? I had 120x that value of testosterone for a decade, and all I did was atrophy and get fat.

Sorry man, but a drug is a drug. All the ester can be is a small modification to the molecules - slowing absorption by requiring the body to cleave it, before recognizing the molecules for what they are.

I'm the last guy on here to jump up and scream, "No ur dumb!", and I always love being shown when I'm wrong, but I can't ignore the math either.

Now this is NOT me saying AAS is without risk, nor am I stating that there aren't things we don't fully understand yet, but I really have a hard time believing that a simple change in the 17th position of a carbon (I think it was the carbon molecule) can make a substance suddenly more dangerous in this application.

Sorry for grammar and sloppy mistakes if any, typing on my phone while on the bike.

Your assuming that the dose is 1 time 800mg. Now assume its 800 a week for 14 weeks then assume after a pct another 800mg for 14 weeks and so on. And your also assuming the amt at the last day of the 6 month marker, not the amt on day 30, 40, 60, etc. Do you not see that could be problematic over time? Versus phenyl propionate duration?

No one is saying anyone is dumb...I read the research and it is legit. I'm attempting to locate the article.

Perhaps you should submit a scholarly journal on the subject?

 

[Megatron28]

Your assuming that the dose is 1 time 800mg. Now assume its 800 a week for 14 weeks then assume after a pct another 800mg for 14 weeks and so on. And your also assuming the amt at the last day of the 6 month marker, not the amt on day 30, 40, 60, etc. Do you not see that could be problematic over time? Versus phenyl propionate duration?

No one is saying anyone is dumb...I read the research and it is legit. I'm attempting to locate the article.

Perhaps you should submit a scholarly journal on the subject?

He didn't assume one dose? He assumed saturation levels of 4000ng/dl.

 

[halfwit]

He didn't assume one dose? He assumed saturation levels of 4000ng/dl.

Yup. I have some spreadsheets on here somewhere showing how drugs build up over time, reach a plateau (steady state), then fall back down over time.

I'll do some digging over the weekend Matty to see if I can't find what you're looking for. I'm totally all for doing things safely (or at least knowing the risks) and am always open to learning more.

 

[MattyIce]

Yup. I have some spreadsheets on here somewhere showing how drugs build up over time, reach a plateau (steady state), then fall back down over time.

I'll do some digging over the weekend Matty to see if I can't find what you're looking for. I'm totally all for doing things safely (or at least knowing the risks) and am always open to learning more.

cool... I'm no mathematics major, but I read the research and it was peer reviewed and legit. I don't have a dog in the hunt other than to share info. Unfortunately I cant locate the article, the forum evidently purged a year or so after I posted and all previous info was lost.

 

[halfwit]

cool... I'm no mathematics major, but I read the research and it was peer reviewed and legit. I don't have a dog in the hunt other than to share info. Unfortunately I cant locate the article, the forum evidently purged a year or so after I posted and all previous info was lost.

You don't need to be brother, and your input is always valued. I've lost articles in the past too, and totally know how hard it can be to find them again. Heck, I remember asking you years ago what you thought about masteron - you ARE a valuable resource, with or without having a degree in mathematics.

 

[49ER]

Ill look for another of my studies on Deca and NPP

 

[bigben66]

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[Southernfish]

Just a thought clman. You could even do a light dose test with a high dose Masteron. Or moderate Test if you dont like the idea of low test.

Either 250mg/wk Test and 1000mg/wk Mast
Or 500mg/wk Test and 1000mg/wk Mast

Mild cycle, nothing too harsh. If you had the diet locked in and dialed that BF down a cycle like that would make you look ridiculous. Not to mention that dose of Mast will make you feel on top of the world!

If you ran both or those compounds Prop Id go 12 weeks. If for some reason you decided Enth (which is more cost effective and provides the same results) then do 16 weeks.

Just my .02