Just starting clomid and wondering if this will help at the gym

[moehacket]

hi
since i have low t my doctor just put me on clomiphene. he said this will help my body start producing more test. My question is will this help me in the gym like the trt does? I am guessing it will just maybe not as much. If your body is producing more test you can grow faster right?

 

[Roush]

If you respond well and your test actually significantly raises, then yes will help..
But if your doc is just trying to get your test levels to 'normal' range and NOT 'optimal' range then you won't notice much..
If your total test is 289 and you get it up to say 425 that may be normal range for docs view. And u may feel a little better, but not much in the gym.. But to put it into perspective,, if we do a real testosterone cycle we can get our total test levels up to 8000 and yeah you feel a big difference.

FYI- my TRT protocol with injecting 200 mg a week had gotten me from 168 to 1200.. And yeah it was noticeable in the gym

FYI- be aware that if clomid works well in raising your natural test levels significantly, you will need to keep check on you e2.. Natural test converts to estrogen just like synthetic test,, you may need to take an ai

 

[moehacket]

Dammit. I dont know what he is aiming for. my test level is 186 and he put me on 50mg of clomid e.d.

 

[Roush]

He is prob aiming for normal.. Doctors are always looking to treat and make people 'normal'.. Screw normal, fuk the band aid doc,, I want to be above normal, I want OPTIMAL. Get my test up to optimal ranges doc not normal.

That would be my argument for your doc

 

[moehacket]

he sais i should notice a differance after 6 weeks or more but i didnt ask if i should notice a differance at the gym. I was mainly wondering that if i have a test level of 186 and the clomid raises that level I should be able to grow faster even if its just a little bit faster?

 

[moehacket]

your right i should have been more assurtive and told him to load me up but i didnt. I am acctually on the clomid because he said will help me with making a baby because me and my wife are tring, i was just seeing if i might get an advantage at the gym as well

 

[Roush]

If you get those levels up to optimal you will make gains for sure.. Especially if you been living with a total test level of 186 for years.. Get up to 1200 and you'll feel and see it

 

[moehacket]

kul
thanks bro.

 

[STAUNCHED427]

Chances are Clomid will give you sides that completely outweigh any benefit in raising test levels. Counter-productive IMO. However if you are one of the lucky ones who don't experience Clomid sides then it will be beneficial to both your fertility and for the obvious benefits of getting your test back to normal.

At 186 you must feel pretty fucking lousy, are you able to post up blood results of LH/FSH, Test (Total and Free), E2 which is Estradiol (not Estrogen) and SHBG? If not, get them tested. You can still conceive whilst on TRT however, all you need to do is run hCG.

 

[moehacket]

Chances are Clomid will give you sides that completely outweigh any benefit in raising test levels. Counter-productive IMO. However if you are one of the lucky ones who don't experience Clomid sides then it will be beneficial to both your fertility and for the obvious benefits of getting your test back to normal.

At 186 you must feel pretty fucking lousy, are you able to post up blood results of LH/FSH, Test (Total and Free), E2 which is Estradiol (not Estrogen) and SHBG? If not, get them tested. You can still conceive whilst on TRT however, all you need to do is run hCG.

lh is 3.5
fsh 3.1
test 186
free test 3.7
shbg 30.0
dont have the Estradiol

 

[STAUNCHED427]

Estradiol is just as important as Testosterone. Too high or too low and you will run into troubles, both physical and mentally. Typically though, with low test comes low e2... both dangerous in the long term. Have you ever used steroids in the past? Prohormones?

No doubt you have poor mood, energy, libido would probably be non-existant... Physically you will be at higher risk for cardiac problems, reduced immunity, poor skin, obviouslly take ages to recover in the gym. High 300s to ~1500ng/dl made a world of difference to me. Although I will probably be dropping that down to 1200/1400ng/dl (trough/peak levels).

 

[moehacket]

Estradiol is just as important as Testosterone. Too high or too low and you will run into troubles, both physical and mentally. Typically though, with low test comes low e2... both dangerous in the long term. Have you ever used steroids in the past? Prohormones?

yes ive done a few cycles and did the nessesary pct. but here i am. your right poor mood no energy or libido. I ready people saing that with 5 weeks on clomid there test went from 260 to 620. Do you think this would change mood inprove working out response?

 

[STAUNCHED427]

Hmm, maybe a solid restart protocol with a hCG blast... There is a stickied thread in the AAS or TRT forum on a Restart Protocol by Austinitie, might wanna check that out. No doubt the AAS would have contributed. I think it is inevitable that AAS will only bring TRT closer for most people even with PCT.

When was the last time you cycled and what was it along with your PCT?

Your LH isn't dumped, but it certainly could be improved which the Clomid will do so, how much it will raise your Test levels remains to be seen. Clomid is proven to effectively boost test, there is no doubt about that however if you get the depression sides from it it will offset the test increase like I mentioned earlier... See how you go though, stick with the 50mg and see where you are at in 6 weeks time. Good luck conceiving as well, the Clomid should work well in that aspect.

 

[moehacket]

cycled 2 1/2 years ago.

1-12 test e 375 ew
1-14 hcg 2x week upper dose 12-14
14-18 nolv 40mg and clomid 50mg ed

thanks were hoping for good news sometime this year.

 

[STAUNCHED427]

If you were cycling with hCG and Nolva/Clomid PCT's then I don't know how well Clomid will work for you... It may boost them a bit, but it will come right back down after you stop.

Have you considered going straight to injections?

 

[Alpin]

Just run the dog on clomid like doc told you. Get Estradiol checked though. You might want to run a high quality DIM supplement with it to control Estradiol sides. At 50 mg ED you should see a diffrrence. It mihht have worked better doing a full out restart. Sounds like you are really shut down. If u used HCG and got to 500-600 ng/dl TT and then hoped on the clomid at that dose u might hit 900 and change TT.
Its been done by MANY guys

 

[moehacket]

i was hoping for injections but doctor said since i have no libido that shots would not change that but clomid would make body produce test and up libido

 

[moehacket]

Just run the dog on clomid like doc told you. Get Estradiol checked though. You might want to run a high quality DIM supplement with it to control Estradiol sides. At 50 mg ED you should see a diffrrence. It mihht have worked better doing a full out restart. Sounds like you are really shut down. If u used HCG and got to 500-600 ng/dl TT and then hoped on the clomid at that dose u might hit 900 and change TT.
Its been done by MANY guys

whats a DIM supplement?

 

[Roush]

i was hoping for injections but doctor said since i have no libido that shots would not change that but clomid would make body produce test and up libido

Wither test comes from a needle or your own balls makes no difference on libido.

Doc didn't test for E2 and said this crap.. Find a new doc IMO , or get set up with an online testosterone clinic

 

[moehacket]

would you know an online clinic to suggest?

do you know what a dim supplement is? are you talking about this
"Diindolylmethane, or DIM, is a natural chemical formed in your digestive tract from a compound called glucobrassicin, which is contained in cruciferous vegetables such as broccoli, cauliflower and cabbage. DIM supplements also are available from many retail sources and might help prevent or suppress growth of several forms of cancer, including breast, colon and prostate cancer."