Just Winny


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Has anyone done a cycle of just Winstrol (winny) alone?

I'm just lookin to get ripped. I've been lifting for over 7 years. . and I decided to finally give roids a try.

I have the size. I'm just looking to get leaner and Not bigger. So I thought Winstrol (winny) would be the right choice for me.

I've actually already started. Today was my 2nd injection, of my Very first cycle.

After doing lots of reserch I decided an 8 week cycle of Winstrol (winny) EOD ( 1 cc) injections, would have been the right choice for me. What do you guys think?

WIll i see results?? Will I get stronger? . .Leaner?
I'm already considering increase the dosage from EOD or ED ?? So far. . i feel normal. I don't feel any stronger. I've been lifting hard and eating right . . for a long time. So I know that just the juice won't give me results. .It's just in my head that Winstrol (winny) is more mild than the rest of them.

My stats:

25 yrs old

Please help.
dont expect anything amazing, but yes you will see some results off it. Personally i think the leaner you are the more results you see. Also how many mg/ml is your winstrol?
I have always heard experts say you should always include test in your cycle and never do just a d-bol or Winstrol (winny) cycle by itself.....but my experience & knowledge are not the best....maybe a couple of Mods will answer.
i wonder if it would give a negative effect of just using Winstrol (winny) alone?

I guess as long as it boosts my testosterone. . . it will in turn increase my metabolism.

I'm wondering. . if im' the only one out there who has decided to do a Winstrol (winny) cycle w/ out stacking?

hmmm.. . .
Many people report using Winstrol (winny) alone with good results. Some people falsly state that they get shitty results simply because you wont gain 20 or 30 pounds of water with a Winstrol (winny) only cycle.

If your diet is in check, you can expect between 6-10 SOLID pounds, and probably a drop in bf.
is the muscle supposed to be sore from the injection? its been 2 days. . and my right Glut is sore. My 2nd injection of Winstrol (winny) on my other glut today. Now i think that one's sore. I thought i did everything right. Is this normal?

Shit. . I don't know if i should be laughin at my self. . .or if i'm doin sumthing wrong. I followed. . . spot injections site. . .step by step. . .i don't know how i could possibly be fuckin up.

I relaxed the muscle. . pushed the plunger in slowly. injected the needle at a stright angle .....
I know someone who gained over 20lbs on a zambon a day for 8 weeks for his first cycle. He was 18 I beleive.
here's my take on your situation based on my Winstrol (winny) only cycle...the results (for what you are looking for) are phenomenal...real Winstrol (winny) is an excellent addition to any cutting cycle...as someone mentioned above,your weight gain will be steady but more importantly in your case,MAKE SURE YOU'RE ON A LOW CAL DIET HIGH IN PROTEIN,LOW CARBS AND MODERATE FAT...you will harden up and increase vascularity at a rapid rate...if you fuck up your diet,you will remain dissapointed w/ Winstrol (winny) only cycle...if you stick to the diet,then you will be amazed at Winstrol (winny) can do for ya...PS:whoever told you that Winstrol (winny) is mild is WRONG...winny is actually quite harsh on your system and liver...it also can cause serious depression symptoms post cycle so make sure to add a small amount of test to keep you happy...
So far, this is all good news to me : ) I'm trying to get cut AND lose body fat.

From what i'm reading so far, it sounds to me like I'll actually gain weight. I hope I don't get bigger any bulkier.
To prevent this I'm doing high reps and eating 4 small meals a day, clean protiens and carbs. These past few weeks I've already lost 4-5 lbs before my cycle.

So far this is my 4th day into my cycle. You guys are so right. My joints don't feel normal. 8 weeks of this. I wonder, if the joint pain gets steadily worse?

After my cycle, will the joint pain go away???
50 mg eod isnt too harsh on the joints, 4 days of 100mg ed, and I couldnt move. If you added some Test, like say Test Propionate, you would see a few more lbs of lean muscle, but wiht Winstrol (winny) alone, with a good diet, you can add a couple pounds of muscle and lose bf, but it all comes down to Diet, Training, Cardio, and then steroids, in that order IMO.
4 meals a day? Is that including your PWO shake?


Whats the caloric total for each meal?

You might want to actually increase the # of meals and keep the total cal of each meal low, instead of only getting 4 meals a day.IMHO
I dont like lifting light, nor 4 meals a day, try this, from Jguns on CEM:

JGUNS COMPLETE "Super Cutter" Program
By popular demand. Here it is:

This is a variant of the Cyclical Ketogenic diet that I use. I don't really go
into ketosis, because of the lipolytic (fat burning) and muscle sparing
qualities of steroids. This is all about carb manipulation and eating the right
type of carbs. First off, you need to be eating low Glycemic carbs nearly all
the time. Low GI causes a more low key insulin response. A large spike in
insulin increases fat storage and High Glycemic carbs (like sugar) do that. You
want to eat low GI carbs that are mostly unprocessed. That means made. Flour
tortillas are a great example of processed, high GI carbs. I have attached a GI
chart that shows what foods are on the GI scale, the lower the number the better
(use either the glucose scale or bread scale, it really doesn't matter). You
will start the cycle out by eating a pre defined amount of carbs. Say starting
on monday you will start with 200 grams of carbs. spread these carbs out
throughout the day. You should eat most of them before 7PM. You will then
decrease the carbs each day do that you are at less than 20 on friday. Saturday
is your "cheat" day. I would eat high GI and Low GI carbs every few hours, you
can pick a meal that is your beloved fast food as well but don't go over board.
You will want to consume 400-600 grams of carbs.This is because you are
refilling you muscle glycogen stores, which are depleted The next day is a
moderate or low carb day of 50 grams or less. The only time you are to consume
High GI carbs is on your load day, and Post workout WHICH IS VERY IMPORTANT.
After you workout, it is important to take in a shake containing 50-75 grams of
whey protein and 20-50 grams of a high GI carb like maltodextrin (which pet
shops carry) or dextrose. Gatorade, powerade, etc all have these things as
well. This counts towards your daily carb intake so adjust the number
accordingly. Your body had a short window to refill depleted carb stores post
workout. IT is about 20 minutes. The reason you use High GI carbs is because it
causes and insulin spike that will allow for nutrients to beshuttled very
quickly into the cell. Whey protein peaks in your blood stream within an hour
so it is a good choice for shuttling protein into damaged cells.This will
essentially put your body in a more anabolic state.
You should be taking in 1.5 to 2 grams of protein per pound of body weight per
day. I would use primarily whole protein sources like chicken, tuna, and beef,
but a couple of your meals can be whey protein shakes. Eat 6-7 smaller meals
per day. This will increase your metabolism. Put alot of green vegetables in.
Fat is not to be worried about. Eat moderate amounts, but increase the amounts
on your low carb days. Start and end the day with whole protein sources.
Here is a typical meal example:
Morning: Oatmeal, 6 Egg whites 2 yolks
Mid morning 2 scoops optimum whey
Post workout: 30 Grams Malto dextrin mixed with 2 scoops whey

Lunch: Chicken Salad (1 boneless skinless chicken breast, spinach mix,
cucumbers, light cheese,green peppers, light ranch)

Mid afternoon: 2 scoops whey, 2 slices of whole grain bread with peanut butter

Dinner: Steak, Broccoli, maybe a side salad

8 PM: Whey

10 PM: Whole protein source with Flax oil or 2 scoops of Casein based protein
powder ( I like Advanced Protein from Biotest)

That is an example. Depending on carb intake for the day, you can add in carb
sources like rice, veggies, rye or barley bread, etc.

You will feel crappy on your low carb days, but you will adjust.

This is the basic idea, follow it and with training, cardio, and AS you will
drop probably 20 lbs and 8-10% BF in a month or two at least.
Let me know what questions you have.
More to follow...


First off, I think that your primary need right now is to strip off some fat and
harden up a little, so I am keeping that in mind with this training program. I
am going to start you on a fairly unconventional program known as HST
(hypertrophy specific training). It is described at:http://www.hypertrophy-specific.com/hst_index.html
Basically, you will work each body part 3 x's per week increasing the weight
each day. It is broken into 2 week segments. The first two weeks are 15 reps
sets, then 2 weeks of 10 reps sets, then 2 weeks of 5 reps, then 5 rep
negatives. You need to determine what your max is for each exercise at each rep
range BEFORE starting the program. Thus find out what your max is at 15 reps,
10 reps, and 5 reps. This program will allow you to build some mass while
dieting, as well as burning fat when you work out.
You will need to pick 1-2 exercises for each body part. I suggest the following
( the number next to the exercise is one set):

Squats 2
Leg Extensions 2
Leg Curl 2
Incline Bench press 2
Flyes 1
Barbell curls 2
Incline DB Curls 2
Lying tricep extension 2
Tricep Press down 2
Rear delt raises 1
Side raises 1
Shoulder press 1
Barbell Rows 2
Pull ups 2
Calf raises 1

You can switch up different exercises (for example squats on monday, but leg
presses on wednesday), but I feel it is unnecessary. If you do, make sure to get
their maxes as well. The way that you will run the program is to workout out
Monday, Wednesday, and Friday. The rest are "rest days" but you will do Sprints
every morning.
You will determine your rep max to be achieved on the last day of the cycle,
thus if for squats your 15 rep max is 200 you would start at 100 lbs on the
first monday of the program, then 120 on wed, 140, on friday, 160 the following
monday, 180 on wednesday and 200 on friday. Then you would start your 10 reps
phase. The jumps in weight between days will vary between the exercise that you
are doing. For example, you would maybe have 20 lbs between days on squats but
only 5 pounds difference between days on shoulder exercises. After you do you 5
rep phase, you will complete a 5 rep NEGATIVE week. That means that you will
work with weights at 120% of your 5 rep week. You will essentially do the
exercise backwards, holding the negative portion of your rep for 5 seconds. You
may need help getting the weight up. After you complete the first 8 week
program, you take a week off and then do it all over again, only your max weight
will be heavier if you did it right and you will have to readjust. You will
skip the 15 rep phase and go right into the 10 rep phase. You should be
spending less than a minute or so between sets to keep your heartrate up for fat
burning, using perfect form. This workout must be completed in less than an
hour, because glycogen stores are depleted and GH drops among other things.
Abs should be done every day. I usually do them after wind sprints. Start with
3 sets of Bicycle crunches followed by 3 sets of leg raises.
One thing I forgot to mention in the last email was that you may find yourself
getting stronger then your rep max. For example, you may have only been able to
do 200 lbs on squat 10 times at the beginning of the program when you set your
rep maxes, but now you could probably do 10 reps of 220. In that case, just
adjust your rep ranges up accordingly.
Now on to diet.

Wind sprints:
These should be done every morning on an empty stomach (very important). I
would do 5 sets on training days and 10 sets on non training days. Start with a
3-5 minute warmup then run as fast as you can for one minute, followed by a
minute of walking. That is one set. do this 5-10 times and then cooldown by
walking for 3-5 minutes. These should get your heart rate up to 80% of you VO2

Maximal Anabolic Androgenic Steroids (AAS) Cycle
Weeks 1-12 Test Prop 500-800 Per week
Weeks 1-12 Tren 75 MG Every Day
Weeks 7-12 Winstrol 50 MG Every day
Arimidex at .5 MG ED or EOD

The tren and test will really rip you up nicely when use with the diet. The
test is to combat sexual sides and is a nice stack with the tren, because it
will add a little mass where Winstrol (winny) and tren are more about strength and

With this combo you can start post cycle therapy 3 days after your last shot of
tren/winny. I would start with 300 MG of clomid the first day and 1 shot of
3000IU of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG). Then do 10-14 days of clomid at 100 MG, followed by 10-14 days
of clomid at 50 mg. After the first shot of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), I would wait five days and
shoot 2000 IU, in another 5 days 2000IU and in another five days 1000IU. I
would also throw in either arimidex (the best), or Nolva every day.
Crazy-A said:
So far, this is all good news to me : ) I'm trying to get cut AND lose body fat.

From what i'm reading so far, it sounds to me like I'll actually gain weight. I hope I don't get bigger any bulkier.
To prevent this I'm doing high reps and eating 4 small meals a day, clean protiens and carbs. These past few weeks I've already lost 4-5 lbs before my cycle.

So far this is my 4th day into my cycle. You guys are so right. My joints don't feel normal. 8 weeks of this. I wonder, if the joint pain gets steadily worse?

After my cycle, will the joint pain go away???

THE JOINT PAIN DOES GET STEADILY WORSE...8 weeks is long for feeling like that...try some deca bro...Nandrolone phenyl prop will help with the joint pain...i used 1cc of jenaka's NPP and it worked wonders not just on my joints...but everything else as well...i just felt like my body was an elastic on that stuff...:)