ladies I'm back - A little advice by persoanl experiences :-)

[frenchy121]

Yo right,

I need to gain some mass, without gaining alot of fat - here is what I can do:

1: Add more carbs
2: rudcue cals on non training days
3: extra 500 cals per day

I don't count cals but I'm guessing I now need to? All these three things must be addresed so hardly any fat is added. Compy next year, cut 16 weeks before by dropping carbs, lift alot heavier now - 30mg of anavar..

Opinion please - All clean calories of course

 

[Mrs P]

Yo right,

I need to gain some mass, without gaining alot of fat - here is what I can do:

1: Add more carbs
2: rudcue cals on non training days
3: extra 500 cals per day

I don't count cals but I'm guessing I now need to? All these three things must be addresed so hardly any fat is added. Compy next year, cut 16 weeks before by dropping carbs, lift alot heavier now - 30mg of anavar..

Opinion please - All clean calories of course

Welcome back Frenchy

Which division are u trainig for ? Depending on this is how u want to structure your diet/training. If you are looking to bulk, then u must eat to grow, yes u will gain some fat, they key is to gain as little fat as possile. You want to eat enough protein to support & build msucle mass & tweak your carbs & fats.
Are u working with a nutritional/comp coach ? I think it will be best if u do, they can guide u in the right direction.

 

[frenchy121]

Yes I have met a woman who owns a gym she looks fantastic her husband competes. They will train me, she said to start eating NOW.. Add some more carbs. She uses var at 40mg per day and does wonders for her! She says to take more, it will also keep fat off- then cut for 16 weeks before comp

 

[Mrs P]

Yes I have met a woman who owns a gym she looks fantastic her husband competes. They will train me, she said to start eating NOW.. Add some more carbs. She uses var at 40mg per day and does wonders for her! She says to take more, it will also keep fat off- then cut for 16 weeks before comp

Don't mean to rain on your parade frenchy, but 40 mgs of var is a very, very aggressive dosage for a women...
She's advising u to take more than 40 ?? really ? your gonna end of doing what u decide, I personally wouldn't risk it with such high dosages... Some people have a lot of misconceptions and think because someone competed that makes them an expert in this sport, I have much respect for those that compete & have such great dedication & sacrisfice, but make sure you know what your getting into frenchy, var will not reduce your body fat, it's not a "fat burner" just because someone says they "know what they're doing" doesn't mean they do, there are plenty of people out there with "good intentions & bad advise" ....I think u should really think about this & reconsider, because at the end it's your "body" and u are the only one that will be affected .
Good luck with the comp prep.

 

[frenchy121]

Yes you are right, I may not hit that high prob 30 max I don't think it's gonna do me any harm.. If I get sides I'll drop back, I'm pretty cafeful anyway. I know it won't drop bodyfat I just need to build a bit

 

[Detour5]

Hard to answer this question without some info from you. Like Mrs P said what division you competing in? Current stats? Yes, need to know not just your calories but what they consist of, so meal frequency and what exactly are you eating? Clean calories can still make you fat if you eat too much, you need to constantly monitor when cutting for a show, depending on whether changes are happening too fast or too slow, diet and cardio will be key. At this stage compound lifts will be your friend, but focus on finding out your calories first.

Yo right,

I need to gain some mass, without gaining alot of fat - here is what I can do:

1: Add more carbs
2: rudcue cals on non training days
3: extra 500 cals per day

I don't count cals but I'm guessing I now need to? All these three things must be addresed so hardly any fat is added. Compy next year, cut 16 weeks before by dropping carbs, lift alot heavier now - 30mg of anavar..

Opinion please - All clean calories of course

 

[Pandie]

I ran 15 mg of var... It was like the tren train for me. I swear I could've ripped someones head off and sit down to dinner without a second thought. Crazy!! I saw the words 30 & 40mg of var and my hairs stood on end everywhere. I know for my own use I cannot go over 15mg ED ... I don't want to end up with a felony. LOL

Good luck on the dosing and let us know how you do with more than 20mg ED.

 

[Mt-momma]

Yes you are right, I may not hit that high prob 30 max I don't think it's gonna do me any harm.. If I get sides I'll drop back, I'm pretty cafeful anyway. I know it won't drop bodyfat I just need to build a bit

I wouldn't be worried about the obvious sides, it would be liver damage, lipid profiles, and blood pressure that make me cringe at dosing that high. You're 27 frenchy, be careful with your body when it comes to the obvious and less obvious.
Sides can sneak up on you.

 

[frenchy121]

Thanks for your input gals.

Maintenence I'm 2100 cals, I'm eating 2800 cals now. Clean! Egg whites, oats, brown pasta, yams, beef ground, turkey ground, chicken, greens, nuts, whey, tuna- 6 meals
No carbs last meal, one body part per day, sometimes 2, bit interval for cardio after weights.

I worked my way up to 15mg var on my first cycle no sides.
I'm 2 weeks in on this cycle already at 15mg no
Sides apart from the pumps oh and the spider web veins!!

 

[Detour5]

This doesn't tell me anything, when do you eat? What do you eat and how often?? Eg, breakfast: 1whole egg and 4eggwhites and 1cup porridge made with water, snack 2hrs later: apple and 2tbspn peanut butter etc etc.. You don't look to be getting any fat in your diet which you need whether cutting or bulking. I think you need to rethink your eating plan. If that is right then your cycle will be properly complemented.

Thanks for your input gals.

Maintenence I'm 2100 cals, I'm eating 2800 cals now. Clean! Egg whites, oats, brown pasta, yams, beef ground, turkey ground, chicken, greens, nuts, whey, tuna- 6 meals
No carbs last meal, one body part per day, sometimes 2, bit interval for cardio after weights.

I worked my way up to 15mg var on my first cycle no sides.
I'm 2 weeks in on this cycle already at 15mg no
Sides apart from the pumps oh and the spider web veins!!

 

[Detour5]

Sorry, I see nuts in there! Where do you have them though and how much...?

 

[frenchy121]

After meals. 10 cashews equals 1 portion of fat. I read carbs and fat together is not good, not sure I believe it.

 

[Detour5]

But, what are your meals though? You've just listed a bunch of food stuffs, that doesn't say what you're eating at each meal. Cashews are a nut high in carbs too, so overall you're pushing up your carb amount for the day - assuming you're getting about 6 meals a day thats about 60 cashews..roughly 2 Oz. Not the best fat source. The fact that it's contest prep we're talking about here, it really is all in the diet, bulking and cutting. A picture would also help because although you've compared your physique to Mrs P who looks fantastic, it isn't you. I personally think you need an actual nutritionist for your prep because you don't seem to really know what you should be doing. The anavar stuff well you've got your answers already.

 

[Detour5]

Not bashing frenchy, but you ask for help, but when you're asked for some info in order to help you, you don't actually give it...

 

[frenchy121]

Not bashing frenchy, but you ask for help, but when you're asked for some info in order to help you, you don't actually give it...

Been having computer issues and it's a pain using the iphone...

Training 6.30 am - Shake after - whey 2 x scoops

Meal 1: 1 whole egg 5 whites, oats with skimmed milk

meal 2: wholewheat pasta with 1 chicken breast glass whole milk

meal 3: whey protein 1 scoop, 1 tspn natural peanut butter

meal 4: sweet or baked potato, with tuna

meal 5:Chicken breast & wholewheat rice

meal 6: 2 x chicken breast & brocolli

This can change this is an example, i have complex carbs with protein. I have not added the nuts, maybe i should cut back, i will have a few with my last meal though.

Funny you say about the nuts.... When i was working with 3j, yes the 'diet guru'.. On a cutting plan he had me on 5 meals a day and funnily enough he would out me on 10 cashews after each meal so 4 x meals that's 40 cashews, oh and get this last meal (meal 5) 30 cashew nuts so thats a total of 70 nuts for the day!

So really what may work for you may not work for me and vice versa. Clean proteins and complex carbs, 6 x meals a day, yes ok maybe i should have peanut better as a better choice. But i;m eating over maintenence cals and i am tracking my calories. One cheat day per week. Training 6 days per week, one body part per session with some interval training at the end (20 mins), weekends 2 x bodyparts as i have more time.

Eat to grow. I'm eating the correct foods - Still people think it's wrong, If i was eating pizza, chips and chocolate to bulk I'm sure someone would also have something to say about that

There is never a right answer on here. Trial and error. I'm training with a woman who has competed who kinda knows what she is talking about....

 

[Detour5]

It's not about eating the right foods, we can all do that. From working with 3j you are well aware that in order to know what food is eaten you need to state what it is gram for gram to know actual calories. I thought you said you didn't track calories (earlier post).

Your body changes as you age and you have to swap diets around, things like having kids change the way your body functions etc. You didn't say if you're body fitness, or physique or bb, just curious.
In this game, you will find plenty of people who have competed and know plenty of things, and who know next to nothing. If you're a genetic marvel, you can't teach much because you don't have to work so hard. But if you have to use every trick in the book to get into contest shape..that is a different story. I wish you well, so if you have all these people in your corner you should be good to go?

 

[Detour5]

Like I said frenchy, not bashing, just saying 3j does help a lot of people. Truth is you could stick with a lot of diets to show results, the trick is to stick with them. I hate keto, I need carbs but it still works. I can stick it out and drop that body fat. Mentally it does my head in though. If I really stick with my diet I don't have to do any cardio, but knowing the right way to eat can achieve wonders. You gotta do what makes you feel the best, what can you stick with. Bulking is frequent eating and I don't enjoy it, but it works. Stick to your guns and only listen to one person for diet and one person for training. Too many cooks ruin the stew (this is when it comes to contest prep in my honest opinion)

 

[frenchy121]

Hey I know your not bashing it's cool

I'm just curious at this stage. I look pretty good at the min - I'm just curious for now. Keto is hard, carb cycle is fine. My problem when not taking in many complex carbs is chocolate cravings and have had none while starting a bulk.... Blood sugars must be steady. I don't mind eat every 2.5-3 hours as I'm always hungry anyway!

I'll see how I get on. A question u may be able to answer I'm just finishing my bio chem var, got some more it's ROHM- better quality, surely you can mix different brands??

 

[frenchy121]

Oh I hate tracking calories but I need to get this right

 

[Mrs P]

Hey I know your not bashing it's cool

I'm just curious at this stage. I look pretty good at the min - I'm just curious for now. Keto is hard, carb cycle is fine. My problem when not taking in many complex carbs is chocolate cravings and have had none while starting a bulk.... Blood sugars must be steady. I don't mind eat every 2.5-3 hours as I'm always hungry anyway!

I'll see how I get on. A question u may be able to answer I'm just finishing my bio chem var, got some more it's ROHM- better quality, surely you can mix different brands??

Very good advise from Detour as usuall


Frenchy,

I think bulking is way easier than cutting for most, I do well on low carb diets & carb cycling, don't really get cravings, on low carb diets if you are craving carbs really bad, it's probably because your body is telling u it needs more carbs, but to be honest the cravings could also be "habits" your body has created.. like comfort food, most comfort foods are high in carbs, so it could just be you "craving" those "carbs" that make u feel good etc.

For me personally Keto could be very effective but not something that's doable for me, of course I'm not prepping for a competition, so your situation is different.. I'm sure your coach has given you advise & guidence with yoru bulking cycle, remember though you & the mirrow are your best judge, bulk until you are satisfied with the results, you and only u know your body best.

About mixing 2 labs of var, It's not ideal, but if u have to than what can u do...
the risk you're taking is that the other lab could not really be var, there are so many labs "selling" var and what u get it's something else & this is very risky especially for us females...
Hopefully you do get what you pay for & it works well for u.

BTW, I personally wouldn't have rice with my 5th meal, I would just keep it protein & veggies.