Good progress. Have you figured out your doses for the test and tren?
Sounds like the SD is something I need to look at! I'm not really liking the dbol I have.
What's your cruise plan? I'd suggest 125mg twice a week to get a nice high test level
Thanks bud. I'm still trying to figure that out. Test will be low, 150-250mg/wk. Mast will probably be 350mg/wk, tren will probably start at 50mg ED so 350mg/wk, and I'll work my way up and watch my sides. I'll be using ace, so if the sides hit at a certain dosage I can easily bump it back down and feel better in a couple of days, no big deal.
Really looking forward to shredding the fuck up and seeing all the lean muscle I've added
Sounds like a plan. Should have solid results with those doses. I will say you may get tired of pinning ed. Took me 8 weeks. Finally had to step back to eod. Dont forget your caber or prami
It's just driven my BP too high. Daily headaches and everytime I have sex lol
The pump has been great but I liked Tbol a little better.
Ack that sucks! Have you fought past it? What causes the lethargy?Lethargy is kicking in from the SD unfortunately. Really no motivation to do anything...go to work, lift, etc...it sucks
Honestly I see no reason at all as to why you can't start tren on your second cycle. The first, I agree, should be simple so you get accustomed to drawing and pinning, learn more, get experience etc. But what exactly will a second cycle of lets say test/deca/dbol do for me to get me more ready for tren? Absolutely nothing. I think running tren has to do more with the amount of research you have done on it and how much knowledge and respect you have for the compound as well as overall maturity.
I've also been reading through a long thread with dozens and dozens of heavy users giving their personal experience of being on for years at a time and coming off for various reasons and being completely fine, having kids, recovering quickly with the correct drugs etc. I understand what you are saying, but I have read and seen too much to give into any sort of fear mongering as long as you know what you are doing.
Thanks for your thoughts man, I appreciate them
I've skipped work for a few days this week (I make my own schedule so it's not a big deal) and I just feel like lying around all day pretty much. I'm trying to get past it but it sucks. Kinda looking forward to being off in a week and a half.Ack that sucks! Have you fought past it? What causes the lethargy?
I have no reason to run deca until I am lean (sub 10%) and want to blow up lean. I made the mistake of using aromatizing compounds while above 10% and I regret it (my one regret). I don't really agree with running blasts full of test/deca/dbol when bodyfat is not where it should be for various reasons. What would be the point in running nandrolone first? I'll get the same prolactin related sides (probably more since deca is typically run higher than tren), which I will have to combat any ways. This is easily handled by keeping estrogen in check first of all (which has a large effect on prolactin related sides) and taking something like caber or prami.Well given that deca is a 19-nor just like tren, doing deca or NPP first would give you an idea of how your body reacts to it. Also, tren is no drug to mess around with. There is a reason VETERANS of the game who sit on a forum board for no other reason than to help people like you, give advice such as waiting till your fourth or fifth cycle to run a compound like tren.
I completely understand if you've done your research bro, but being in the game is not just pumping sauce and getting big. You've got to KNOW your body with juice being in the picture.
Whatever you choose, awesome progress on this cycle man.
Up to 211lbs
I've skipped work for a few days this week (I make my own schedule so it's not a big deal) and I just feel like lying around all day pretty much. I'm trying to get past it but it sucks. Kinda looking forward to being off in a week and a half.
I have no reason to run deca until I am lean (sub 10%) and want to blow up lean. I made the mistake of using aromatizing compounds while above 10% and I regret it (my one regret). I don't really agree with running blasts full of test/deca/dbol when bodyfat is not where it should be for various reasons. What would be the point in running nandrolone first? I'll get the same prolactin related sides (probably more since deca is typically run higher than tren), which I will have to combat any ways. This is easily handled by keeping estrogen in check first of all (which has a large effect on prolactin related sides) and taking something like caber or prami.
So I'll experience more tren related sides vs deca in terms of using a 19nor...Alright, well night sweats and insomnia really aren't incredibly awful (I know they can suck but compared to other sides they aren't much). Mental sides can be a bitch, which is why people use the ace ester and introduce it at LOW dosages first and work their way up, gauging their reaction to the drug. With ace, you can lower or completely remove dosage and be fine again in a couple of days.
I understand what you are saying about being "in the game". I am not a user who just wants to hop on 2 grams of AAS and eat fruit loops all day. I've seen a lot of people like that and it's a joke. I am also not a user who is "messing around with tren". I am going to use the drug with absolutely every base covered and how it is supposed to be used in the proper way. I just fail to see why you MUST wait 4-5 cycles to touch tren, but another 19nor like deca is accepted as fine to use whenever. I think this is a fear mongering, "rule of thumb" rhetoric that seems to be thrown everywhere, much like a lot of other stuff in the steroid game (no offense to you, just talking in general). For as many veterans that are like how you described, I know just as many who are the opposite. Yes, the average idiot teen and casual weight lifter wanting to hop on gear to get their beach body shouldn't use tren at all. But for people who are serious about their goals and know how to get there, and know exactly what to do in certain situations if issues arise, I see no issue at all with running it responsibly.
Thanks for the compliment on the progress man, means a lot.
I rest my case bro. Be safe brother.
I've been battling bacne the whole cycle, so crap I hope the sd doesn't triple it! LolUpdate.
Was 209lbs at the gym tonight, my diet has been shit in terms of calories, I've definitely been under by a good amount the last 4-5 days
Incline BB benched 225x3, 235x3, 255x3, most I've ever done on flat or incline BB. Chest was absolutely insanely pumped and full today, felt awesome.
Ending SD on friday (few days short) because I am going out of town and will be drinking a little for my uncles surprise bday
My bacne is BAD. Holy fuck. I guess the SD just really didn't react well with me in that sense...seriously need to do something about it.
Also decided to drop the mast on my next blast. I can't really afford it and I don't think it will shine that well at 15% bf
I've been battling bacne the whole cycle, so crap I hope the sd doesn't triple it! Lol
Congrats on the lifts, sounds like you hit most of your goals there? And I'd agree on dropping mast, I don't think you want to waste it... Get yourself down to 8% on the Tren then throw it in as a 4-6 week wrap up.