Let's set the record straight. First cycle Black and White answers.

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DayRage

New member
23 years old
6'
210lbs
Training since High School.
my routine and diet are perfect.

I have 2 10mL bottles of Sustanon (sust) 250
I have 25mg oral Winstrol pills
I have Nolvadex
I have NO AI
I have NO HCG

MY CYCLE:
500mg/week for 8 weeks stacked with Winstrol Oral for 6 weeks

Week 1: inject 250mg Monday / inject 250mg Wednesday
Week 2: inject 250mg Monday / inject 250mg Wednesday
Week 3: inject 250mg Monday / inject 250mg Wednesday / Winstrol 50mg Every Day
Week 4: inject 250mg Monday / inject 250mg Wednesday / Winstrol 50mg Every Day
Week 5: inject 250mg Monday / inject 250mg Wednesday / Winstrol 50mg Every Day
Week 6: inject 250mg Monday / inject 250mg Wednesday / Winstrol 50mg Every Day
Week 7: inject 250mg Monday / inject 250mg Wednesday / Winstrol 50mg Every Day
Week 8: inject 250mg Monday / inject 250mg Wednesday / Winstrol 50mg Every Day
Week 9: no substances
Week 10: no substances
Week 11: no substances
Week 12: Nolvadex 40mg/Every Day
Week 13: Nolvadex 40mg/Every Day
Week 14: Nolvadex 20mg/Every Day
Week 15: Nolvadex 20mg/Every Day



I want to use 250iu of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) every 4 days starting Tuesday of week 3 and going thru the end of week 8 but I have no idea how to get REAL HCG. Im really concerned about getting my test and male function back fully after cycle.

Should I add clomid to my post cycle therapy (pct) and take it with the nolva?
Clomid: 150/100/50/50


I've already pinned week 1 Monday and Thursday. At first, from what I read, I was going to run the cycle without taking Arimidex DURRING the cycle (.5mg every day) but being on cycle now, i want to make the cycle the best it can possibly be and so I continue reading. Day and night. The more I read, the topic is still 50/50 on these three things and I CAN NOT find a black and white answer. Some say don’t use it some say use it.

SO...TO SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT...

1.) SHOULD YOU OR SHOULD YOU NOT TAKE ARIMIDEX STARTING ON DAY 1? .5mg EVERYDAY WHILE ON CYCLE? And of course take 20mg of nolva every day if itchy nips/soreness comes up, I know.
(use arimidex until 4 days after last Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) inject?)

AND...

2.) DO I REALLY NEED Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) ON CYCLE OR AFTER CYCLE OR WILL A SIMPLE NOLVA post cycle therapy (pct) SUFFICE?
(again.. really concerned about my boys and I have googled everywhere trying to find it)

AND...

3.) SOME SAY NOLVA IS CRAP AND CLOMID IS BETTER. SOME SAY THE OPPOSITE.
Here is a link where they bash nolvadex pretty hard as a post cycle therapy (pct)..

steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/605974-nolvadex-vs-clomid.html

(basically which one will help me get wood after the cycle.)

LETS SET THE RECORD STRAIGHT ONCE AND FOR ALL HERE GUYS.

also if some of you experts could critique my cycle and post cycle therapy (pct). I know Sustanon (sust) should be EOD and at least 10 weeks but im not doing that. im doing 8 weeks, M/W. Also any experience you’ve had with Winstrol (winny) would be appreciated too. Im not sure how Winstrol (winny) will effect what I have to do for post cycle therapy (pct) because im basing my post cycle therapy (pct) on the long half lives in the Sustanon (sust) 250. Thanks a lot everyone. And don’t flame me because I’ve clearly spent a lot of time working on this program. Im not seeking acceptance from the steroid gods to run this, just advice.
 
You started a cycle without knowing what you doing, lazy.
You need an Aromatase inhibitor (AI), longer cycle, clomid, brain...
You can't be 23, 17 y/o max
 
What's your body fat percentage?

1. Yes, Adex on cycle. 0.25mg EOD.
2. Yes, you need hCG.
3. You need both nolva and clomid.

Cycle critique:

. Sustanon (sust) for 8 weeks is a waste. Try 12.
. Sustanon (sust) should be injected EOD if you want to take advantage of short esters.
. No need for Winstrol (winny) on first cycle. Stick with test only so you can minimize side effects.
. post cycle therapy (pct) recommendation: Clomid 75/50/50/50 and Nolva 40/20/20/20

I recommend a whole lot more research prior to committing to this cycle. Good luck.
 
Completely agree with Austinite. 12 weeks should be a minimum. You need clomin and nolva. Nolva is not crap, you just need both. If your adex is in 1mg tablets, you can cut them in half and take 0.5mg E3D, if you have liquid and can easily measure 1/4mg, do that. 6 weeks is a long time to run an oral, I would drop the Winstrol (winny), or at least reduce it to 4 weeks. Be sure to take liver supplements like ALA and NAC.

As others have said, you're too young, and you're an idiot.
 
Rumpy said:
Completely agree with Austinite. 12 weeks should be a minimum. You need clomin and nolva. Nolva is not crap, you just need both. If your adex is in 1mg tablets, you can cut them in half and take 0.5mg E3D, if you have liquid and can easily measure 1/4mg, do that. 6 weeks is a long time to run an oral, I would drop the Winstrol (winny), or at least reduce it to 4 weeks. Be sure to take liver supplements like ALA and NAC.

As others have said, you're too young, and you're an idiot.
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your answer is best. I am 23. born 5/12/90.

I train with the number 1 heavy weight mma fighter in Alabama. his name is (nevermind. decided that was a bad idea). look him up. he is overseeing this cycle. and I have access to anything I need.

I have researched extensively. if you actually read my questions...they are very well informed questions and you cannot deny me that. im simply asking for alternate opinions.

if I had cancer..and I had a good doctor. I would most likely still seek alternate opinions.

SO, Rumpy, 3 questions for you.

1. is adex a research chemical and can I buy tablets online from a sponsor?
2. many have told me to use the Winstrol (winny) as a bridge starting week 9-11 (3 weeks, not the 6. and notice that runs right up to my PCT) how will that effect my post cycle therapy (pct). and notice also that I would finish my Sustanon (sust) before starting Winstrol (winny). good or bad idea?
3. when should I start taking liver supps? now? or not until the Winstrol (winny) begins...(will milk thistle suffice?)

thanks.
 
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guys you act like i'm committing suicide.
my cycle is still salvageable. I just would like some help?
I see posts like these all the time.
first timers who just have concerns then get bashed by experienced users.
why not help each other and help me make the best of this.
remember how exciting your own first cycles were and just help a brother out.
 
DayRage said:
guys you act like i'm committing suicide.
my cycle is still salvageable. I just would like some help?
I see posts like these all the time.
first timers who just have concerns then get bashed by experienced users.
why not help each other and help me make the best of this.
remember how exciting your own first cycles were and just help a brother out.
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You got help. Your questions were answered.
 
If you have access to everything you need, then go for it. Get your a.i. and Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and proceed. There is plenty of useful information in the stickies. Actually, it's all of the info that will need. The vets are busting your balls because they see about ten of these threads daily. Good luck
 
DayRage said:
1. is adex a research chemical and can I buy tablets online from a sponsor?
2. many have told me to use the Winstrol (winny) as a bridge starting week 9-11 (3 weeks, not the 6. and notice that runs right up to my PCT) how will that effect my post cycle therapy (pct). and notice also that I would finish my Sustanon (sust) before starting Winstrol (winny). good or bad idea?
3. when should I start taking liver supps? now? or not until the Winstrol (winny) begins...(will milk thistle suffice?)

thanks.
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Yes, adex is available as a research chemical, in liquid form. I believe RUI sells it, but I've never used them. I get it in pill form from the same place I get everything else.

I'm not quite sure what you're hoping to gain from the Winstrol (winny). I've never used it that way so I can't really say much. I doubt it would hurt anything, but with your test levels bottoming out by the end, I'm not really sure what you would get. Sustanon (sust) has a long half life in the body, so 3 weeks is a good amount of time to wait for post cycle therapy (pct). If you do run the Winstrol (winny), you'll need to stop that before PCT, but you'll have to look up the half life. Good rule of thumb is to wait 3X or 4X half life. Personally, I would drop the Winstrol (winny) from this and go with the 'test only' conventional wisdom.

From what I've read, milk thistle does very little to protect your liver from oral steroids. NAC and ALA are supposed to be the best. I use a product called Liver Armor, which has all 3 plus some other stuff, and I also use Liv52. I've never had a blood test while on orals, so I cannot say how well it actually works, but if you're going to use orals, you really should be taking something for your liver. As far as when to take it, it's never a bad idea. I take some for my full cycle, but more when I'm using orals.

You should be able to get Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) from the same place you got the test. It's not completely necessary, but it will help you recover faster, so I recommend it.

While you're shopping, get some more test. Remember you will loose a little to needle volume, getting air out, not getting the last drop out of a vial, etc. I usually buy 10%more than I think I need. It can take 4-6 weeks your blood serum levels to peak, so stopping at 10 weeks really doesn't give you enough time to get the full benefit. Push it out to 12-14 weeks. You'll probably end up getting a little over 9 pins out of a 10ml vile, so 3 viles should get you 27 or 28 pins worth, which would be a good cycle length.

Good luck.
 
Yeah that was great. thanks a lot everyone. and I know the info is in the stickies. I read a lot of stickies on multiple forums. but sometimes its just nice to have solid reassurance that specifically pertains to you. like human interaction. anyway maybe that's just me. again, thanks.
 
Starting a cycle without having everything you need and a plan on how and when to use it seems premature to me.

I've been researching for months and considering AAS for over a year and I am quite a ways away from injecting compounds into my body.

You seem to have done some research which is awesome.

My advice would be to make a plan and stick to it.
 
week 5 begins Monday. Im still struggling with what I should do with this bottle of Winstrol (winny) I have. im now running my Sustanon (sust) 10 weeks. SO, the way I see it is I have 2 options.

option 1: bridge the Winstrol (winny). beginning of week 10 (last week on sust) take Winstrol (winny) 50mg a day for 4 weeks. this will mean im taking the Winstrol (winny) up until I start post cycle therapy (pct).

option 2: start Winstrol (winny) at beginning of week 6 or 7 and run it up until last Sustanon (sust) pin.

my main question is due to whinny's short half life of 8-12 hours. how will my post cycle therapy (pct) need to be changed with option 1 or 2.

if I did option 2 would I need to begin taking something for post cycle upon completing all compounds after week 10?

any advice would be very appreciated. option 3 is sell the Winstrol (winny) off to someone and use the money to buy sups or something. im sure you will all say "OPTION 3!!!!!"

since i know that will be everyones first responce, please also give genuine answers in regards to option 1 and 2. thanks everyone.
 
All three choices are viable, but if it were me, I would probably go with #2 and run it with the last 4 weeks of test. If you go for #1, double check the half life and just make sure you stop taking in 3+ half lives before you start post cycle therapy (pct). If you do take it, add NAC and ALA for liver support. You forgot option 4, just save it for your next cycle.
 
If you're set on using it, I'd go with Option 2 as well... At least get some synergistic effect out of it. I don't see much point in bridging into pct
 
Ocdude said:
If you're set on using it, I'd go with Option 2 as well... At least get some synergistic effect out of it. I don't see much point in bridging into pct
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Agreed. You'll get more out of it with full test in your system.
 
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