LH/FSH Question

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Just had new blood drawn after 8 weeks on TRT.

Quick question on the LH and FSH both. were < .02 (so basically none). Is this normal. From what I've read I'm thinking the body don't need to produce LH and FSH since I'm on external test. Just wann see what you guys think.
 
I will be getting mine drawn & tested for the first time since Dec 09.

Makes me wonder what to expect...
 
Just had new blood drawn after 8 weeks on TRT.

Quick question on the LH and FSH both. were < .02 (so basically none). Is this normal. From what I've read I'm thinking the body don't need to produce LH and FSH since I'm on external test. Just wann see what you guys think.

Depends on where your test levels are at.


Im on 150mg a week and that keeps my levels around 900 and my FSH and LH are usually around 2.5-3 so im still producing a little natty test along with my trt. If your test levels are too high then that would explain youre fsh and lh being nonexistent. Took a little tweaking to avoid shutdown.

Simply taking an exogenous hormone doesnt constitute automatic shutdown. Its very dose dependent.
 
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Just had new blood drawn after 8 weeks on TRT.

Quick question on the LH and FSH both. were < .02 (so basically none). Is this normal. From what I've read I'm thinking the body don't need to produce LH and FSH since I'm on external test. Just wann see what you guys think.

Yes this is normal. Mine doesn't register.

It really depends on the regiment your endo wants to pursue. If he wants you at a certain level, then he's going to ignore the LH. If he wants you still creating your own natty test, he will start with very small dose and see if LH goes down and when it goes down go back to the dose before LH went down. But it will be a ridiculously low test dose.
 
Cool cool. That explains it. My test level on 250mg a week is > 1500 (that was as high as the test went) so yeah I am shut down for sure. I am backing down to 150mg a week trying to get to 900 for a cruising baseline. Thanks .
 
This happened to me so I am glad you asked the question...

I was only on 100mg of test a week and my levels jumped from 440 to 811 in only 6 weeks.

This shocked me.. because frankly I don't feel any different at all...

My LH was about nothing on the recent blood test and that is with taking 200iu Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) twice a week along with the test...

is the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) supposed to increase the LH levels? If so.. does that mean I need to increase the hcg?
 
This happened to me so I am glad you asked the question...

I was only on 100mg of test a week and my levels jumped from 440 to 811 in only 6 weeks.

This shocked me.. because frankly I don't feel any different at all...

My LH was about nothing on the recent blood test and that is with taking 200iu Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) twice a week along with the test...

is the Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) supposed to increase the LH levels? If so.. does that mean I need to increase the hcg?

No Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) will not increase LH. It's an FSH and you are taking it to keep your testicles active. LH will be suppressed since you are on TRT.
 
No Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) will not increase LH. It's an FSH and you are taking it to keep your testicles active. LH will be suppressed since you are on TRT.

Wrong, wrong wrong.

The alpha subunits of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and LH are identical and the Beta subunits are close enough that it acts ont the LH receptor. Your body 'percieves' Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) as LH so yes, it is very suppressive to natural LH.

So far youre 0 for 2 in this thread.
 
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Cool cool. That explains it. My test level on 250mg a week is > 1500 (that was as high as the test went) so yeah I am shut down for sure. I am backing down to 150mg a week trying to get to 900 for a cruising baseline. Thanks .

Thats a good idea. You lose the 'health' benefits of testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) once you get outside the normal range.

However, simply dropping it down to 900 probably wont get your LH and FSH back online. Theyre shut down and even at 900 your body likely wont feel the need to produce more test. Youd have to stop for a couple weeks, run some nolva and clomid, and then resume testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) by starting low and working up to 800-900. Thats how i had to do it. I did it because i didnt want to be totally shut down just in case i decided to come off testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) for whatever reason ( I doubt i will though, lol)
 
Wrong, wrong wrong.

The alpha subunits of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and LH are identical and the Beta subunits are close enough that it acts ont the LH receptor. Your body 'percieves' Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) as LH so yes, it is very suppressive to natural LH.

So far youre 0 for 2 in this thread.

Correct!!

You are on TRT.... Your LH and FSH being low is not an issue unless you want to conceive children on TRT.

It can be done... some use just HCG. A more effective method is to use a mix of both Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and HMG. HMG is basically a mix of LH and FSH...
 
Correct!!

You are on TRT.... Your LH and FSH being low is not an issue unless you want to conceive children on TRT.

It can be done... some use just HCG. A more effective method is to use a mix of both Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and HMG. HMG is basically a mix of LH and FSH...

I bought 2 bottles of HMG once thinking it was enough for 2 cycles and then i read the dosing and realized it was enough for 2 days. lol. The shit is EXPENSIVE.
 
Wrong, wrong wrong.

The alpha subunits of Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) and LH are identical and the Beta subunits are close enough that it acts ont the LH receptor. Your body 'percieves' Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) as LH so yes, it is very suppressive to natural LH.

So far youre 0 for 2 in this thread.

HCG used to be considered an fsh. Show me otherwise. I will refrain from calling it an FSH from now on. Regardless, taking Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) will not increase natural LH production. I've said nothing incorrect. Being on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) will suppress LH production.

What's the 2nd thing you accuse me of being wrong on? the endo type of treatment using LH as an indicator? That my friend is exactly what my endo discussed with me regarding an alternative testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) treatment.
 
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HCG used to be considered an fsh. Show me otherwise. Regardless, taking Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) will not increase natural LH production. I've said nothing incorrect. Being on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) will suppress LH production.

HCG is an LH analog, thats common knowledge.

How bout you show us that Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) is an FSH.


Good luck with that.
 
Human chorionic gonadotropin interacts with the LHCG receptor and promotes the maintenance of the corpus luteum during the beginning of pregnancy, causing it to secrete the hormone progesterone. Progesterone enriches the uterus with a thick lining of blood vessels and capillaries so that it can sustain the growing fetus. Due to its highly-negative charge, hCG may repel the immune cells of the mother, protecting the fetus during the first trimester. It has also been hypothesized that hCG may be a placental link for the development of local maternal immunotolerance. For example, hCG-treated endometrial cells induce an increase in T cell apoptosis (dissolution of T-cells). These results suggest that hCG may be a link in the development of peritrophoblastic immune tolerance, and may facilitate the trophoblast invasion, which is known to expedite fetal development in the endometrium.[3] It has also been suggested that hCG levels are linked to the severity of morning sickness in pregnant women.[4]

Because of its similarity to LH, hCG can also be used clinically to induce ovulation in the ovaries as well as testosterone production in the testes. As the most abundant biological source is women who are presently pregnant, some organizations collect urine from pregnant women to extract hCG for use in fertility treatment.
 
Anabolic steroid adjunct
In the world of performance enhancing drugs, hCG is increasingly used in combination with various anabolic androgenic steroid (AAS) cycles. As a result, hCG is included in some sports' illegal drug lists.

When AAS are put into a male body, the body's natural negative-feedback loops cause the body to shut down its own production of testosterone via shutdown of the hypothalamic-pituitary-gonadal axis (HPGA). This causes testicular atrophy, among other things. hCG is commonly used during and after steroid cycles to maintain and restore testicular size as well as normal testosterone production.[19]

High levels of AASs, that mimic the body's natural testosterone, trigger the hypothalamus to shut down its production of gonadotropin-releasing hormone (GnRH) from the hypothalamus. Without GnRH, the pituitary gland stops releasing luteinizing hormone (LH). LH normally travels from the pituitary via the blood stream to the testes, where it triggers the production and release of testosterone. Without LH, the testes shut down their production of testosterone.[20] In males, hCG helps restore and maintain testosterone production in the testes by mimicking LH and triggering the production and release of testosterone.
If hCG is used for too long and in too high a dose, the resulting rise in natural testosterone will eventually inhibit its own production via negative feedback on the hypothalamus and pituitary gland
 
No Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) will not increase LH. It's an FSH and you are taking it to keep your testicles active. LH will be suppressed since you are on TRT.

HCG has nothing to do with FSH in males. The reason it keeps your testicles alive is because it mimicks LH and tells your leydig cells in your testes to go to work and produce testoserone.

The only way to stimulate spermatogenisis while youre on cycle or suppressed is to mimick FSH and the only compound that does that is HMG.
 
Thats a good idea. You lose the 'health' benefits of testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) once you get outside the normal range.

However, simply dropping it down to 900 probably wont get your LH and FSH back online. Theyre shut down and even at 900 your body likely wont feel the need to produce more test. Youd have to stop for a couple weeks, run some nolva and clomid, and then resume testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) by starting low and working up to 800-900. Thats how i had to do it. I did it because i didnt want to be totally shut down just in case i decided to come off testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) for whatever reason ( I doubt i will though, lol)

So what are your LH numbers using this method?
 
So what are your LH numbers using this method?

2.6 last blood test

up from <.1 previously.

Its a balancing act. I have to be careful when i run Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) to lower my testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) dose a little otherwise my test levels jump too high.
 
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