libido Issues on orals, wisdom needed!

[halfwit]

Right sorry for the late reply but I needed to talk to my guy and do some research. First off

SJC your like a childish msn bully, I mean
why did you feel the need for this comment.

And rbonexl I hope when you finished with
you meant is!

Moving on! When I was taking the dbol tabs I was taking liv 32! And when I moved onto turanabol was taking milkthistle (changed because was on a cut and liv32 can increase appetite)

Now I also have to loosely state that "my guy" is most likely most of my cities "guy" he was a pro BB before I was even born, owns multiple gyms over the city and spends 6 days a week advising all bodybuilders that travel from all over to see him. His reputation would be like if megaton told you something on here. I told him my problem and the advice I had been given, he said no, lol. I was told this shouldn't happen to me and most likely cause is the 60mg of Ephedrine Hydrocloride from my Eca stack. But just to be sure stop taking everything. I was given caboergoline:

musclechemistry.com/upload/articles-forum/64885-dostinex-cabergoline-cabaser-pct-information.html

Take half a pill twice a week for 5 weeks.
Also on a very positive note yesterday was the 5th day since I stoped taking the turanabol and eph and sex was fantastic no probles. So thanks repo but think I'm still too young and active to rely on that .

Jolted I think I am not screwd, I am 26 and this was not the first time I have ever done a oral.

Megaton thank you for the links I still have so much to read and ask but with me it takes time. Also I would like to get bloodwork done after 5 weeks do you know roughly the cost? I'm from uk.

I would like to remain a active member of this site and will check back to this post and will share results when I get them done. So any questions or advice is great but please no more abuse...

And last but not least hello Mike nice too meet you, I'm poof!

So your "guy" told you that you don't need testosterone as a male? Or that running orals back to back WITHOUT testosterone is okay, but ephedrine (a stimulant) is what's messing with your reproductive system?

Milk thistle?

This feels like I'm back in the mid-90's again.

Look, Tron told you EXACTLY what the deal is - and I don't have to take his word, because it's all verifiable medical science. I can go to pubmed, type in a few search words, and verify what he said is true and FACT.

Can ephedrine cause erectile dysfunction? Absolutely. But this is if you have high blood pressure, and issues with your vascular system.

Can an utter and complete lack of testosterone cause erectile dysfunction? Very definitely, and it is a root cause unlike ephedrine - which relies on an underlying issue to exacerbate.

Cabergoline is a dopamine agonist, not a SERM. You lactating or not being able to ejaculate, but ZERO issues getting an erection? Well, caber is meant to fix a very specific issue that isn't your current situation (which could have been avoided too).

Read the sticky FAQ, learn WHY you've been taken as a fool, and fix yourself in a matter of weeks. As Tron said - we have no vested interest in you being healthy or otherwise, but I'm sure your dealer would LOVE to keep selling you're fixes, and at top dollar too.

My .02c

 

[clman8585]

Ye i bet this dude is getting ripped the fuck off. I have a friend that buys from his "guy" at the gym, and i can tell you he pays 3 times what most of us pay from site sponsers.

 

[Poof123]

Hey halfwit, so

Milk thistle?

Is this ? Asking why I took it or what is it. If the later, it is like liv32 a herbal tab to help detoxify liver;

liversupport.com/milkthistle.htm

This feels like I'm back in the mid-90's again.

He's very old school

Look, Tron told you EXACTLY what the deal is - and I don't have to take his word, because it's all verifiable medical science. I can go to pubmed, type in a few search words, and verify what he said is true and FACT.

I do not believe any of trons responses told me EXACTLY what to do. he gave me his opinion and gave me the links to research and open hands to ask away (thank you very much tron). Also you can never do a quick browse of the Internet and claim FACT. The only thing you know about me is I am 26 and apparently very ignorant. And you think Anyone can give a correct diagnoses by reading my post..

I just want to point out I'm not attacking your character of claiming I know ANYTHING about this subject, I'm just relaying my thoughts.
In fact I thank you very much for you taking the time to try and educate me.

Can ephedrine cause erectile dysfunction? Absolutely. But this is if you have high blood pressure, and issues with your vascular system.

Maybe I am wrong but I have searched and found forums where guys have said that ephedrine / ephedra has caused loss of libido / going soft quick?

Can an utter and complete lack of testosterone cause erectile dysfunction? Very definitely, and it is a root cause unlike ephedrine - which relies on an underlying issue to exacerbate.

But would this not happen EVERY a time I had sex instead of say 65%. Also it seems to have gotten a lot better the as the days have got on.

Cabergoline is a dopamine agonist, not a SERM. You lactating or not being able to ejaculate, but ZERO issues getting an erection? Well, caber is meant to fix a very specific issue that isn't your current situation (which could have been avoided too).

Sorry but I don't understand what your saying here?

Read the sticky FAQ, learn WHY you've been taken as a fool, and fix yourself in a matter of weeks. As Tron said - we have no vested interest in you being healthy or otherwise, but I'm sure your dealer would LOVE to keep selling you're fixes, and at top dollar too.

Believe me I will eventually make it thru the plethora of info this fantastic site has to offer. And again I relay do appreciate your time, thank you.

Also I know nothing about true prices. "My guy" IS the only person I know to get it off. Again with very good reputation. So when he tells me I don't need nova and he gives me Cabergoline I have no choice(but again he's a trusted source).
I don't think I could ever order gear of the net ( is this stupid, are there legitimate sources to Aquire from?) but also to point out after finding this site, and reading thru the posts, if I knew someone else to buy from I would have gone for nolva and Clomid.

Last of, just to see if is good or not I got - 100 turanabol, a tub of eph500 extreme and a tub of milk thistle for like £55. The dbol course was about the same too. So ??

Again thank you everyone here!

 

[Megatron28]

I am not going to comment on everything, but...

Milk Thistle does nothing. Absolutely nothing. Get NAC and Liv.52.

Cabergoline: Half is saying you needed a SERM, not a Dopamine Agonist. These classes of medications do very different things. You should research what those uses are.

Also I know nothing about true prices. "My guy" IS the only person I know to get it off. Again with very good reputation. So when he tells me I don't need nova and he gives me Cabergoline I have no choice(but again he's a trusted source).

Wrong. That is like saying I jumped off the bridge because he told me to. It is incumbent upon you to understand what you are doing and what you are buying. Don't take something just because he had extra inventory that he wanted to clear out and you were willing to buy whatever at a premium price. Be judicious about this. It is your body.

if I knew someone else to buy from I would have gone for nolva and Clomid.

You can order both from RUI. Their ad is found at the top of your screen. I have never had any issues with their products and their prices are reasonable. I would encourage you to check them out.

 

[halfwit]

Hey halfwit, so
Is this ? Asking why I took it or what is it. If the later, it is like liv32 a herbal tab to help detoxify liver;

liversupport.com/milkthistle.htm

Tron once again says pretty much what I would have. You really should learn how to read research paper's and medical journals - it would save you a great deal of money and time. Liv52 is great stuff, but milk thistle is ANOTHER pest plant that the supplement industry has figured out how to make money on.

He's very old school

I can tell. Let me ask you a question; would you rather be treated in a hospital from the 1970's, or one from 2015? The body hasn't really changed much since then, but our knowledge and technology has. He's advising you from a generation past - which frankly has obsolete methods.

I do not believe any of trons responses told me EXACTLY what to do. he gave me his opinion and gave me the links to research and open hands to ask away (thank you very much tron). Also you can never do a quick browse of the Internet and claim FACT. The only thing you know about me is I am 26 and apparently very ignorant. And you think Anyone can give a correct diagnoses by reading my post..

He told you to read and provided you data that comes from scientific fact. We're a little different on this board in that a lot of us try to cut out the bro-science bullshit that still plagues the AAS community. If there's a relevant peer-reviewed study that proves/disproves something, we're all over that to learn how to always improve not only results from cycling, but to add to the safety and longevity of the people that take this information in.

I understand how difficult it can be to find out that an authority role in your life is wrong/outdated, but that is the case here.

I just want to point out I'm not attacking your character of claiming I know ANYTHING about this subject, I'm just relaying my thoughts.
In fact I thank you very much for you taking the time to try and educate me.

Absolutely no offense taken. I just hope you continue to read as our goal is EDUCATION, not just telling folks what to do. In fact, we dislike having to spoon feed individuals, as they're not learning anything that way, which does nothing for the community.

Maybe I am wrong but I have searched and found forums where guys have said that ephedrine / ephedra has caused loss of libido / going soft quick?

Yes, which I acknowledged. However, that requires certain things to be going on first, like high blood pressure. I take ephedrine all the time, and have zero issues plugging the glory hole.

But would this not happen EVERY a time I had sex instead of say 65%. Also it seems to have gotten a lot better the as the days have got on.

That's because hormones don't stay at a steady level all the time. You mat be making just enough testosterone to barely keep LittlePoof going, but it's not going to be on demand.

Sorry but I don't understand what your saying here?

Tron covered it for me. Wrong med for wrong thing.

Believe me I will eventually make it thru the plethora of info this fantastic site has to offer. And again I relay do appreciate your time, thank you.

That's great, and I really hope you do, and can see that ultimately we're just trying to help out another, so he in turn - can help others.

Also I know nothing about true prices. "My guy" IS the only person I know to get it off. Again with very good reputation. So when he tells me I don't need nova and he gives me Cabergoline I have no choice(but again he's a trusted source).
I don't think I could ever order gear of the net ( is this stupid, are there legitimate sources to Aquire from?) but also to point out after finding this site, and reading thru the posts, if I knew someone else to buy from I would have gone for nolva and Clomid.

Most street guys get their gear from the same places we do, unless they brew their own - which would make me nervous. Yes, there are legitimate places to find AAS on the Internet; it's also safer for both the seller/buyer, and allows us to have a greater selection.

Last of, just to see if is good or not I got - 100 turanabol, a tub of eph500 extreme and a tub of milk thistle for like £55. The dbol course was about the same too. So ??

Again thank you everyone here!

Unfortunately, we can't discuss prices, but I can tell you that the dose of each pill and the purity is a big part of the price. Milk thistle is junk, and you can get it in most health food stores. N-acetyl L-cysteine (NAC) is where it's at.

 

[clman8585]

This thread is like a political debate where you cant win because the other side already has their mind made up.

 

[Milton]

Welcome to ology!

I echo that statement...
These guys know their stuff, listen to them.

 

[Poof123]

I can tell. Let me ask you a question; would you rather be treated in a hospital from the 1970's, or one from 2015? The body hasn't really changed much since then, but our knowledge and technology has. He's advising you from a generation past - which frankly has obsolete methods.

Ok ok this! brain has clicked, thanks for the analogy..

I'll get back to the rest of the post but on mad busy shifts at work atm soo just want to ask this.

Tron I have as you know bought Cabergoline, had half the pill Monday and was going to take second half tomorrow. Should I just stop And buy the nolva and Clomid? The last time I took any turanabol or Eph was Friday. Is there a time limit where starting this pct is too late?

If so could you please direct me to where to buy from (maybe because I use iPhone I cannot see this RUI website?)

As your mod maybe you can email me on my private email I signed up with.

Thank you soo very much, DOC

 

[SJC]

ok ok this! Brain has clicked, thanks for the analogy..

I'll get back to the rest of the post but on mad busy shifts at work atm soo just want to ask this.

Tron i have as you know bought cabergoline, had half the pill monday and was going to take second half tomorrow. Should i just stop and buy the nolva and clomid? The last time i took any turanabol or eph was friday. Is there a time limit where starting this pct is too late?

If so could you please direct me to where to buy from (maybe because i use iphone i cannot see this rui website?)

as your mod maybe you can email me on my private email i signed up with.

Thank you soo very much, doc

hooray!!!!

 

[PrinceDianabol]

Ok ok this! brain has clicked, thanks for the analogy..

I'll get back to the rest of the post but on mad busy shifts at work atm soo just want to ask this.

Tron I have as you know bought Cabergoline, had half the pill Monday and was going to take second half tomorrow. Should I just stop And buy the nolva and Clomid? The last time I took any turanabol or Eph was Friday. Is there a time limit where starting this pct is too late?

If so could you please direct me to where to buy from (maybe because I use iPhone I cannot see this RUI website?)

As your mod maybe you can email me on my private email I signed up with.

Thank you soo very much, DOC

Since you've already got the Caber, you may aswell continue it. It *may* actually help somewhat, or at least your mood/sexual performance during PCT... but using it for PCT on it's own is just worthless.
Up to you if you want to carry on taking it or not. Oh and telling us 'half a pill' or a 'pill' doesn't mean anything to us. The pill could be 0.1mg or 10mg.

I'm gonna give you this because your at least taking the right steps now RUI-Products - Shop for your research and peptide needs!

That will take you to RUI's website.. you'll need both the SERMs: Clomid and Nolva. They are called Liquid Clomi and Liquid Tamox on their site I believe. One bottle of each will be plenty.

 

[tury694]

Came back at a good time. This dude has gotten lots of good advice so I got nothing good to add. Whatever you do next op just research and when you do dumb things be ready for nasty consequences.

 

[Poof123]

I'm gonna give you this because your at least taking the right steps now RUI-Products - Shop for your research and peptide needs!

That will take you to RUI's website.. you'll need both the SERMs: Clomid and Nolva. They are called Liquid Clomi and Liquid Tamox on their site I believe. One bottle of each will be plenty.

Ok so i added the liquid clomi , liquid tamex and oral syringe BUT, i dont know if the stupidity is burrowing into my brain but i cannot see delevery options to places like north korea, vatican city, mcdonalds islands (this one cant be real lol). basicly everywhere apart from uk. i went through the list ateast 5 times and i cant see Britain/great Britain, England, united kingdom or anything. i can see Ireland :/ .. but seriously do they delever to uk? i cant see how ive mssed it though...

Since you've already got the Caber, you may aswell continue it. It *may* actually help somewhat, or at least your mood/sexual performance during PCT... but using it for PCT on it's own is just worthless.
Up to you if you want to carry on taking it or not. Oh and telling us 'half a pill' or a 'pill' doesn't mean anything to us. The pill could be 0.1mg or 10mg.

and yes sorry my bad. the tabs are 2 mg. so 1mg(half) twice a week.

 

[Poof123]

Liv52 is great stuff, but milk thistle is ANOTHER pest plant that the supplement industry has figured out how to make money on.

I took the liv52 when on he dbol but when i swithched to the turanabol for my cut i was told that liv52 can increase appetite so take the thistle instead. well thats another lesson learnt. as i havent had a liv52 for 2 months now should i start taking them again anyway while going on PCT. i still have a tub od double strenth!

I can tell. Let me ask you a question; would you rather be treated in a hospital from the 1970's, or one from 2015? The body hasn't really changed much since then, but our knowledge and technology has. He's advising you from a generation past - which frankly has obsolete methods.

Again thank you for the analogy

I understand how difficult it can be to find out that an authority role in your life is wrong/outdated, but that is the case here.

yes! maybe thats why nearly a week later and im only just looking to order tha tamex/clomi. but learnig later is better than never a...

Yes, which I acknowledged. However, that requires certain things to be going on first, like high blood pressure. I take ephedrine all the time, and have zero issues plugging the glory hole.

lol this makes me happy. eph500 are the best thing since slice bread imo! on a next level to no xplode and a much more noticable diffrence to the t500

That's great, and I really hope you do, and can see that ultimately we're just trying to help out another, so he in turn - can help others.

This this and more This

 

[Poof123]

Soo yeah I tried again on a laptop and still couldn't order to uk ? :/ ?

I was in the gym and got some Clomi tabs. The box States;

Serpafar
Clomifene citrate
50mg

Was told twice a day. Read the info but wanted to ask here so I don't do anything stupid again!
Should I start without nolva?

Also the past few days, expecially today I feel crazy tired. No work didn't train had like 8 hrs sleep. :'(

I'm starting to get annoyed at myself for being such a fucking retard with this. Just want to get back to normal!

 

[halfwit]

You're not being a retard, those are the guys that refuse to listen no matter what they're provided. As far as nolva goes, I'll defer that to someone with more experience with SERMs, I *think* you'd be okay, but as I'm a TRT guy myself - I don't want to steer you in the wrong direction.

 

[PrinceDianabol]

I would start taking the clomid now. Try to get nolva and add it in as soon as you can, but clomid only vs no pct is a no-brainer in my opinion. Nolva will be the 'icing on the cake' sort of thing, and definitely help out but clomid will do the job.

 

[Poof123]

Thanks guys! An update:

I've been taking the cobergiline for a week now(just 2 Halfs of a tab). Each tab is mg

Today will be day four of Clomi.

My friend got me some nolva today, there called tamoxifen! Their tablets and they are 20mg

I would also like to state that my "libido" is back to normal (I think, I hope!) having no problems..

A few questions though.

The Clomi tabs I have are 50 mg. was told twice a day. Is this ok?

The tamoxifen tabs I have gotten are 20 mg. he said just 1 a day. Is this ok?

And lastly would it be ok if I stoped taking the cobergiline? Or should I carry on the next 3 weeks?
I would like to stop because the 2 times last week I have felt overly fatigued, I would say the worst in my life was the days I took the caber. Coincidence maybe?

 

[clman8585]

Drop the caber.

 

[PrinceDianabol]

Thanks guys! An update:

I've been taking the cobergiline for a week now(just 2 Halfs of a tab). Each tab is mg

Today will be day four of Clomi.

My friend got me some nolva today, there called tamoxifen! Their tablets and they are 20mg

I would also like to state that my "libido" is back to normal (I think, I hope!) having no problems..

A few questions though.

The Clomi tabs I have are 50 mg. was told twice a day. Is this ok?

The tamoxifen tabs I have gotten are 20 mg. he said just 1 a day. Is this ok?

And lastly would it be ok if I stoped taking the cobergiline? Or should I carry on the next 3 weeks?
I would like to stop because the 2 times last week I have felt overly fatigued, I would say the worst in my life was the days I took the caber. Coincidence maybe?

You need to run clomid at 50mg a day for at least four weeks. If you have enough that you can run 100mg daily for the first week, then 50mg daily for the following three weeks then do that. Just do whatever you have enough to complete.

Tamox is nolva, good work getting onto it. You should run nolva at 20mg daily as well for the four weeks. Or 40mg daily for the first week (again, if you have enough.)

Agreed, if caber is making you feel like shit then drop it. It's not necessary at all. Clomid & nolva is where it's at.

 

[Poof123]

Thanks guys.

So for what I have I'll take 100mg chlomi for a week then 50 thereafter. And I'll take 20mg nolva for the duration.

Also dropped the Cabor which Im pretty sure was the cause of the mad fatigue.

when I get around to it I'll let you know how the bloodwork goes!

Thanks all for your advice and help.