long cycle. opinions?

[Johny J]

week 1-28 test 750mg\week
week 6-11,16-21, 26-30 fina 50mg\ed
week 12-28 eq 500mg\week
week 7-10, 17-21 IGF-1 long, 40mcg a day.

thinking of lowering the test dose to 500 maybe. its a long cycle 2. so if you suggest shortening it, give a recommendation.cycle needs to be at least 4 months (17-18 weeks) using only what i stated above.

 

[Johny J]

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[Trevdog]

I've done one cycle beyond 13 weeks and I don't think I'll do it again.

I don't disagree with the dosages except I think its best to stay on the tren once you get on it.

You say it needs to be at least 17 weeks. How's this:

Weeks 1-2 1500 mgs. test; 1000 mgs. eq. (loading)
Weeks 3-15 750 mgs. test; 500 mgs. eq.
Weeks 3-17 fina 50 mgs. ed (could you add 50 mgs. prop ed in weeks 16-17?)

Long IGF-1 R3 40 mgs. ed in weeks 7-10 and 16-19. You could do it 3 times for 4 weeks if you got more. Say weeks 2-5; 10-13; 18-21

 

[Spectre]

Well get your blood work done before and along the way just to make sure you are healthy.

1) Develope a traing plan that takes advantage of the natural cycles in your overall cycle. Example: Strength and bulk during Tren and a diet phase in between. You can't bulk the whole way or diet, I personally bulk for 4 then cruise for a couple and diet then back on the bulk.

2) Long cycles will make you insulin resistent, you might want to research it's usage.

3) Your body is going to take beating from the constant strength increases. Schedule a week off now and then.

4) switch up your routines often to keep the gains coming.

Be healthy, stay on top of your vitals and you will be fine.

 

[Johny J]

awesome guys. thanks. anymore vets wanna chime in?

 

[jediclampet]

I've done one cycle beyond 13 weeks and I don't think I'll do it again.

I don't disagree with the dosages except I think its best to stay on the tren once you get on it.

You say it needs to be at least 17 weeks. How's this:

Weeks 1-2 1500 mgs. test; 1000 mgs. eq. (loading)
Weeks 3-15 750 mgs. test; 500 mgs. eq.
Weeks 3-17 fina 50 mgs. ed (could you add 50 mgs. prop ed in weeks 16-17?)

Long IGF-1 R3 40 mgs. ed in weeks 7-10 and 16-19. You could do it 3 times for 4 weeks if you got more. Say weeks 2-5; 10-13; 18-21

Great post! That's interesting info. Just curious about how long cycles could make you insulin resistant?

 

[Johny J]

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[BiggieSwolls]

Just reiterating what Trev said, once you start the Tren, dont take little breaks, you mine as well stay on it since your planning on using it again 5 weeks later in your initial proposal.

Ive done 2 really long cycles now and Ill be honest, I dont see myself ever going back to doing 6-10 weekers.

 

[Johny J]

ok. so i will stay on the tren for 10 weeks at a time. i will break it up into 2 ten week sections perhaps. i like my kidneys.

 

[BiggieSwolls]

Its really debatable as to whether Fina does anything to your kidneys that Testosterone doesnt do.

Sure, people bust Fonz's balls for using Fina for like 40 weeks straight but at least he went and got his liver and kidney values checked regularly and if your looking at his specific case, it appears that his kidneys are completely fine based on the numbers and given that he ran the Fina for so long.

Ive taken Fina for some long runs and my kidney values have always come back within the proper ranges.

 

[Johny J]

hmmmm. i thought the rule of thumb on long cycles was to rotate your anabolics?

 

[jcp2]

Ive done 2 really long cycles now and Ill be honest, I dont see myself ever going back to doing 6-10 weekers.

I agree, my last cylce was about 16 weeks, and i don't think i will go back to shorter ones as the gains i feel were much more keepable. I still try to stay off as long as i stay on, but definately keep the cycles longer. And i also had no problem, or any difference in my recovery from 9 weeks to 16 weeks. But everyone is different.

 

[slobberknocker]

I can't plan a cycle that lasts 7 month. I usually plan 3 months ahead, then make new plans for the next 3 months, etc. I like to be flexible with what I take and what doses I use.

 

[BiggieSwolls]

hmmmm. i thought the rule of thumb on long cycles was to rotate your anabolics?

Yes, but that to me is more drug dependent. See, from my personal experience, I find winstrol effects to really have a dimishing return after about 10 weeks, so that would be a drug I rotate, same with say, Dbol for me. Fina, I have found really stays strong for a long time. The returns dont seem to diminish like some other drugs so for me, it is one that I would not have to typically rotate every 6-10 weeks. Same with EQ and Test.

 

[Johny J]

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[bigdelt69]

Well I think it all comes down to how suseptable you are to side effects. I will never in my life do another cycle longer than 10 weeks. For me the sides are not worth the gains. As stated above you need to get bloodwork done before, after, and perhaps several times during this cycle....and what about your recovery? Are you planning on staying on all year long? Not to flame you at all bro but I think you have the actuall cycle part worked out pretty well and now your main concern should be recovery and preventive supps to take during your cycle. Good luck!

 

[Johny J]

Well I think it all comes down to how suseptable you are to side effects. I will never in my life do another cycle longer than 10 weeks. For me the sides are not worth the gains. As stated above you need to get bloodwork done before, after, and perhaps several times during this cycle....and what about your recovery? Are you planning on staying on all year long? Not to flame you at all bro but I think you have the actuall cycle part worked out pretty well and now your main concern should be recovery and preventive supps to take during your cycle. Good luck!

no flame taken. i appreciate you taking the time to respond. thank you.

as far as post cycle it will be igf-1 for 4 weeks, and an extended run of nolva and clomid. probably around 6-8 weeks of the nolva.
i may shorten the cycle to 5 months.

 

[Spectre]

Great post! That's interesting info. Just curious about how long cycles could make you insulin resistant?

I don't remember why, but it does... I'll search arond and see if I can shake any of the few remaining brain cells loose.

 

[Spectre]

Just as a note to anyone who may read this and decide to run a long cycle on this information, my situation is different asmy natty test is very low, so I have nothig to recover too. When I get to my size I will taper down to HRT levels and I'm good to go. I get nervous about someone hurting themselves over something I mention on a board.