longest u guys habe run tren

[DreDay187]

Then it wont work for you, you have to know all the big words to make gains.

Or one could choose to remain ignorant and live in the Stone Age and believe there can be 8000 calories in a piece of shit. You've chosen the latter already.

 

[Matt0071]

Studies have shown how tren can significantly increase the rate of net muscle gain with reduced caloric intakes. It's almost like you're doing a recomp but he tren is doing it instead of the diet.

Okay thanks, so if I decide to cut while on tren studiesnhave shown u can still add muscle even reducing your cals below matainance?

 

[Matt0071]

Sidenote, donating a pint of blood today appt at 6, bloodwork following tonight at the hospital as well
Wanna see where I stand, liver emzimes, cholesterol ect

 

[DreDay187]

Okay thanks, so if I decide to cut while on tren studiesnhave shown u can still add muscle even reducing your cals below matainance?

Not on humans but yes basically. The reports on humans are anecdotal but enough of them have come out to say it's possible. I'd keep a slight surplus though for you but not 2lb/wk

 

[Dreaded Pirate Roberts]

Matt you seem to want to prove your self to be right and other people wrong. Arguing with people on the internet is point less. It like winning a medal in the special olympic's In the end your still retarded. Slow your roll and stop being combative. focus on your diet and training and have some fun.

 

[Matt0071]

Okay, surplus like what 200 over matainance?
It seemed like when I was at 3600 cals I was still adding muscle, it may sound funny but just for instance measuring my biceps, started out roughly after my cut at 15 3/4 to say 16", now there at 17 1/12 cold flexed, before I bumped the cals up, people tell me my cals are to low, that I should add more cals, I am gettn confused, I just dont wanna gain to muh bf in the process

 

[Matt0071]

Matt you seem to want to prove your self to be right and other people wrong. Arguing with people on the internet is point less. It like winning a medal in the special olympic's In the end your still retarded. Slow your roll and stop being combative. focus on your diet and training and have some fun.

I agree, i understand man, its pointless to argue

 

[Matt0071]

Whats tren used on horses, cows ect?

 

[DreDay187]

Okay, surplus like what 200 over matainance?
It seemed like when I was at 3600 cals I was still adding muscle, it may sound funny but just for instance measuring my biceps, started out roughly after my cut at 15 3/4 to say 16", now there at 17 1/12 cold flexed, before I bumped the cals up, people tell me my cals are to low, that I should add more cals, I am gettn confused, I just dont wanna gain to muh bf in the process

You've got to tailor it to your goals Matt. If your goal is powerlifting and max strength you eat anything and everything in site bc physique isn't as important. You want to gain muscle without getting too fat in the process so i would go maybe 10-15% cals over maintenance. Not sure what your maintenance is but if you gain 2lbs per week on 4200cals try going down to say 3700 or so for two weeks and readjusting if necessary.

 

[Matt0071]

Okay thanks dre, much appreciated
How does the fat and carb intake look or do u want my current diet plan on here
Already tried the eatig everything in sight approach obviously didnt work lol, why I went on a 16 week cut

 

[DreDay187]

Okay thanks dre, much appreciated
How does the fat and carb intake look or do u want my current diet plan on here
Already tried the eatig everything in sight approach obviously didnt work lol, why I went on a 16 week cut

THey look fine. Just reduce total calories from whatever macro as you've met he minimums for the essential ones

 

[Chicago712]

Props to you Matt for turnin this thread around

 

[Matt0071]

Meal 1

1 cup oatmeal, 1 scoop pro, 1 cup egg whites

Meal 2

150g lean ground beef, 85g pasta

Meal 3

150g lean ground beef, 85g pasta (pre w/o)

Meal 4

1 cup oatmeal, 2 scoops iso pro (post w/o)

Meal 5

6 oz steak, 1 can tuna mixed wih 85g pasta and 1 tsp mayo/olive oil

Meal 6

1 scoop iso pro, 1 cup egg white, 1 cup oatmeal

I cancelled out meal 7 which was 1 cup egg white, 1 scoop iso pro

Now it looks like this

Cals 3800
Pro 320g
Carb 380g
Fat 100g

 

[Matt0071]

Should I be taking in more lean ground beef per sitting or does 150g look fine?

 

[Matt0071]

My matainance is 3200 cals
To gain 1lbs a week it states 3700 cals a day

 

[snowpatrol123]

Can you reiterate your goals?

I know you keep saying you aren't looking for a shredded physique, but you're also concerned about adding bodyfat, yet still want to get stronger/bigger.

I truly think you've been on too much gear, too long and it isn't going to allow you to accomplish everything you want until you give your body/receptors a break for a decently long period of time.

Not trying to be condescending, I've made this mistake before....you need to pick something, one thing preferably and focus on it for some time. You can't flipflop from week to week, nothing will happen you'll just stagnate.

 

[Rida5d]

Seriously, think it through, does the body really convert unused calories to fat stores so efficiently?

In my case , I'm shouting out loud : YES.

As u see , I never said I'm a nutrition guru.I told u what has just happened with me. Yes I gained weight in those 10 days.. And I know it's fat.
How I know it's not water retention from carbs , cuz I'm in zero carbs from few days.


Fucked up metabolism? May be.

For me, once I go over tdee , I gain fat / even for few days. That's a fact. Ask 3j what happened to me when i went on a vacation for 4 days ONLY (1 year ago)

U believing this or not, is not a big concern for me.
Regards.

 

[Matt0071]

It may sound or look like I am flip flopping but trying to get my diet dialed in right, where I feel comfortable not gaining to much bf in the process

 

[Calibucsfan]

Lmao this thread is STILL going on??

Hey Matt, don't listen to the haters, forget running tren for 30 weeks, run it for 70 weeks

 

[Matt0071]

Lol