longest u guys habe run tren

[308power]

I have the knowledge to go back and forth with them, just generally want to not think about the things I get paid to think about at work when i get home. So much more fun to make gay jokes.

Dre whispering sweet nothings to me about giving me his sweet surprise after the job is done. Its never as sweet as he says its going to be (because its predominantly protein) , but hes a good man and does what he can.

 

[DreDay187]

From what I understand, Leptin is partially responsible for insulin sensitivity as a way to prime the body. Leptin also has links to electrolyte balance and fluid consumption. Really helps the body regulate alot of things...

Interesting. You've given me some motivation to read up on leptin again lol. What do you know about ghrelin 308?

 

[STAUNCHED427]

Lol I really didn't want to disturb matts thread with topics that are this complicated but I've received PMs indicating people are more interested in this then I suspected so I'll try and keep this simple (even though some of these issues are anything but).

Please, go on. Your posts have turned this piece of shit thread into something interesting, informative and somewhat useful.

 

[banzi]

Dude I'm really hoping this is sarcasm because it is PAINFUL to read, someone with a physique like yours cannot possibly be this uneducated.

If you eat in a caloric surplus your liver glycogen can store around 2,000 calories to be used later.
For muscle glycogen, a MAXIMUM of 2g of carbs/pound of weight can be stored - most of you know that this is basically carb loading (I won't go into too much detail on fructose/sucrose since its too complicated for this post).
Anything else that is left over, especially most of the fat you consume, will turn into FAT - especially when your bulking.

So if you consume 10k (or as you said 25k) you better believe your going to get fat, its just going to take a few days for you to realise it

Looks good written down but in reality it doesnt work like that.
When you get down and do a show or get to sub 7% you will find that you can eat in a calorie surplus for around a week and not gain hardly any fat, you will water bloat but thats about it.
Stop quoting science books and get some real life experience.

 

[banzi]

Key words are caloric restiriction bro

During your daily activity, fat is the main source of energy so of course you will simply use up the fructose. But on a bulk its turning into fat & not coming out for sometime.

As a side note, I also eat alot of fruit as part of my refeeds on psmf style diets because I know the other 6 days of the week my caloric deficit is so severe that it really doesn't matter.

…because you cant get fat in a day, wasn't that my point which you seem to be pissing all over?

 

[Mrrippedzilla]

Looks good written down but in reality it doesnt work like that.
When you get down and do a show or get to sub 7% you will find that you can eat in a calorie surplus for around a week and not gain hardly any fat, you will water bloat but thats about it.
Stop quoting science books and get some real life experience.

I've trained people who do shows and I've gotten down to 7% twice as I previously pointed out to you.

If you eat in a caloric surplus for a week you will gain some fat, whether you notice it through measurements is another story since the water bloat will hide just how much fat you've put on.
Why do you think practically all bodybuilders in all classes after their shows go out and binge and put on fat? I've had people measured with DEXA scans and seen their bf% rise - theirs some real life experience for you.

The difference between you & me is I COMBINE science with experience, while you completely dismiss science and rely solely on experience.
I've seen some of your previous posts - dismissing the need for bloodwork, dismissing IIFYM, now you think a caloric surplus doesn't lead to fat loss. Your one of the people who gives this forum a bad name because your statements are usually grade A bullshit.

However, I also know that I can chuck a bunch of facts at you and your still going to believe your own nonsense - that's just who you are right? So I'll leave you with this: Everything I've stated about nutrition that you've dismissed are facts based on science AND real life experience...which means....your view....must be....wrong.

 

[banzi]

I've trained people who do shows and I've gotten down to 7% twice as I previously pointed out to you.

If you eat in a caloric surplus for a week you will gain some fat, whether you notice it through measurements is another story since the water bloat will hide just how much fat you've put on.
Why do you think practically all bodybuilders in all classes after their shows go out and binge and put on fat? I've had people measured with DEXA scans and seen their bf% rise - theirs some real life experience for you.

The difference between you & me is I COMBINE science with experience, while you completely dismiss science and rely solely on experience.
I've seen some of your previous posts - dismissing the need for bloodwork, dismissing IIFYM, now you think eat a caloric surplus doesn't lead to fat loss. Your one of the people who gives this forum a bad name because your statements are usually grade A bullshit.

However, I also know that I can chuck a bunch of facts at you and your still going to believe your own nonsense - that's just who you are right? So I'll leave you with this: Everything I've stated about nutrition that you've dismissed are facts based on science AND real life experience...which means....your view....must be....wrong.

Now you want to move the goalposts, we were talking about gaining fat in a day by eating excess calories for one day, that was the discussion of you go back and read the thread.
Tell me , if someone ate 35,000 cals in a day would they gain 10lbs of fat, bearing in mind a pound of fat contains roughly 3,500 cals?
If not 10lbs how much fat does your science book tell you you would gain?

 

[Mrrippedzilla]

***8230;because you cant get fat in a day, wasn't that my point which you seem to be pissing all over?

Really? Really????
I stated that I'm in a CALORIC DEFICIT THE VERY NEXT DAY, which means any fat I put on gets taken off as soon as possible. If i didn't go in a caloric deficit then yes I WOULD GET FAT IN A DAY, I just wouldn't notice immediately.

Dude your trying to argue with someone who knows more than you, I can bury you on this forum or you can just accept the fact that your wrong, I can't lose either way

 

[banzi]

Really? Really????
I stated that I'm in a CALORIC DEFICIT THE VERY NEXT DAY, which means any fat I put on gets taken off as soon as possible. If i didn't go in a caloric deficit then yes I WOULD GET FAT IN A DAY, I just woulnd't notice immediately.

Dude your trying to argue with someone who knows more than you, I can bury you on this forum or you can just accept the fact that your wrong, I can't lose either way

Exactly, which was the entire point I was making, if you diet and binge for a day its not going to equte to a fat gain.

Jeez, read the thread.

 

[Mrrippedzilla]

I'm going to assume your a troll and leave it at that, people who read through the forum can figure out for themselves who knows what he's on about and who doesn't

 

[Rida5d]

Mrri .. Dre ..
please keep it going on. Much info in here..

Staunched.
Big respect to a 19 year old coming out from 38 year old.

Dialtone
Please don't get pissed off and close this thread.. U got my heart broken once when u ended the 9 week thread

 

[banzi]

I'm going to assume your a troll and leave it at that, people who read through the forum can figure out for themselves who knows what he's on about and who doesn't

Me trolling?
Youre the one who jumped on my post telling me I was wrong without reading the thread properly.
Now we seem to be in agreement you dont like it.
Do you want to take a stab at the question I gave you Mr Science books?
35,000 cals a day for a week over maintenance should result in a 70lb fat weight gain.
True or false?

 

[PrinceDianabol]

Me trolling?
Youre the one who jumped on my post telling me I was wrong without reading the thread properly.
Now we seem to be in agreement you dont like it.
Do you want to take a stab at the question I gave you Mr Science books?
35,000 cals a day for a week over maintenance should result in a 70lb fat weight gain.
True or false?

How do you always seem to pick arguements with more knowledgeable people than yourself? And each time these people provide factual evidence to back up their claims you dismiss science and say "thats not how it works in the real world blablablah."

I reckon you are just a troll.

 

[Rida5d]

My guess would be true if we can find someone who can't eat 35000 + maintenance. And live till day 7 .. May be not 70 lbs though.
I injured myself real bad, didn't work out for 10 days, pigged out (lot less than 10 k) I gained like 5 kgs of fat (I assume)
How I know it's not water retention , cuz now I'm on day 6 , zero carbs and still so fucked up.

 

[Matt0071]

Going to donate some bloods today and get some bloodwprk done, for the haters keep hating keeps , e motivated , and maybe some of u guys can hrow some balls if u wanna talk smuck and post up your physique, until then u are just a he/she or whoever posting shit on a forum, mot talking about the ones with knowledge either, the ones that keep running there mouth with no knowledge what so ever ect tbone, 3ct, trinijiice

 

[Matt0071]

If u are here to see some chizeled absmect u are looking at the wrong place, its hard to getchizeled when u are eating 500+ cals above matainance, so for the time being quite wasting my time amd yours and post on another thread not here, the dif being I am mot sfraid to bulk, nore cut, people are to affraid to put on some size they just want that cut look all year round
As far as tren goes, people state its he goddest of all steroids, so be it, I have no sides other then my aggressibe personalty to begin with, just loke running test I find, as others cant handle the sides, so they dont run tren, so why would I wait to run tren when I feel like I am just running something mild cause I dont have any sides from tren like I stated

 

[R9]

Matt always calls people out so I just went ahead and posted pics because im sure we will disagree on something. This is probably the fattest ive ever been, so not a goal physique brother .

But thanks

Well, I've vowed to never lift at 198 again nut I can't seem to get to "legit 220 weight" so I may hang this everywhere but my refrigerator with the caption "Shouldn't you be eating?" or "WW308D?"

 

[Matt0071]

I have posted my pics on other forums ect, even a coupke pro bb here in canada and say my physique looks great, obviously like anythig constructive critique from them on what I should work on more, so I kmow some of u jealousy is running through u and u have to post smuck, I habe only been training for 2 years, gear or no gear thought its 80% diet, 15% training, 5% gear, so who cares about what gear I run, its my oponion, my option, and my money, not yours

 

[Matt0071]

When u start getting people coming up to u asking questions about which routines I do for traps ect, or back u kmow u sre doing something riht, or the stares u get in the gym now composed to when u first started to train, its obvious

 

[Matt0071]

http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FYe7DycPsvg