looking for good strength gaining and retention cycle.

[glubgawd]

difference does it make. i get it though, i know a couple professional body builders and even they are blown away and dont believe till they see it.

Honest question - not trying to be a dick but...

If this is true, why are you asking us what you should do? Seems like a pro bodybuilder would know better than we would....and if they've watched you eat all your meals in a day I'd assume you guys are pretty tight.

Teut - that's AWESOME! lol but you already know that. Crazy animal.

 

[RJ]

really. my work. well lets see, built and own a successful company. what exactly do you aspire to. im really curious of your accomplishments in LIFE.

i have none. I'm just a fat guy who stole someones picture and used it as my avatar. I like to hang around here and make fun of skinny guys cause I'm jealous that i can't eat 12K cals a day and not gain a pound.

You are missing the point wee-bit. You are not, nor have you ever eaten 8-12K cals a day every day. Yes, you may do it every once in a while, but not every day. No body can burn that many cals unless your doing MMA while you eat all that shit.

Like you said, it doesn't matter because you're not getting it. Drugs don't make you grow and retain. Intense training and diet do.

 

[seawulff]

yeah well that is the plan. its not like im best friends with these dudes. they are friends of a friend but you are right, i will get a hold of them and design a plan. i imagine it will be of more assistance. and in response to RJ, i dont really care that i am using gear to gain a lot of my weight cause that is what everyone ells here is doing to. is it cheating to do it no but not later. im not competing with anyone. it is purely about being where i want in life. why do it naturally in 5 years if you can do it with some assistance in 2. especially someone with genetics like myself that make it substantially more difficult to gain mass than the average joe.

 

[scotimusprime]

really. my work. well lets see, built and own a successful company. what exactly do you aspire to. im really curious of your accomplishments in LIFE.

man dont come on here like that, youre such a douche. there are DOCTOR's LAWYERSs COPS, BUISNESS OWNERS, PRO ATHLETES on here. no one give a fuck about what you did in life or that you drink 10000 cals of weight gainer a day.

if youre so well off, hire a fucking chef and get them to make FOOD. not protien powder mixed with sugar.

oh and if you dont know what the big 3 are. you dont train. nuff said.

there is tons of guys on here that could help you but coming off like an arrogant shitclown aint gonna get you anywhere

 

[RJ]

yeah well that is the plan. its not like im best friends with these dudes. they are friends of a friend but you are right, i will get a hold of them and design a plan. i imagine it will be of more assistance. and in response to RJ, i dont really care that i am using gear to gain a lot of my weight cause that is what everyone ells here is doing to. is it cheating to do it no but not later. im not competing with anyone. it is purely about being where i want in life. why do it naturally in 5 years if you can do it with some assistance in 2. especially someone with genetics like myself that make it substantially more difficult to gain mass than the average joe.

did i say it was cheating? No.

I said you never ate that much EVERY DAY. Because if you did, you would be alot heavier than you are right now. Again, you're missing the point.

We all take/took AAS to grow. But realizing its based on diet and training, and not just relying on the drugs is the difference between you and me.

Its ok, enjoy being 185lbs big fella.

 

[RJ]

coming off like an arrogant shitclown aint gonna get you anywhere

that's a front runner for my new sig.

 

[seawulff]

yeah except somehow i dont see doctors (accomplished and educated people) being the ones sitting around on a forum talking shit about someones accomplishments for no apparent reason other then dickish (insecure ego bully like) nature. that's left for the lower socioeconomic level have a good day guys.

 

[LOKI1978]

You leg press 450 for reps? That is a weight that a 185 lb person should be able to do with little to no leg training.

Not everyone can squat heavy. I've known lots of relatively serious bbs that can't squat without damaging their knees or back. That being said, your leg press weight makes me think that you don't train legs consistently. If you're not training legs with regularity, one may conclude that you're not very serious about your training in general.

As others have commented, if this is just your second cycle, run some test and an oral, followed by a good pct.

 

[scotimusprime]

yeah except somehow i dont see doctors (accomplished and educated people) being the ones sitting around on a forum talking shit about someones accomplishments for no apparent reason other then dickish (insecure ego bully like) nature. that's left for the lower socioeconomic level have a good day guys.

all the accomplished and educated people are just sitting back and watching because you,RJ and I are all stupid fuckers on the same level arguing like little school girls. they wouldnt waste their valuable time on an idiot like you. At LEAST RJ and I know how to eat properly,count fucking cals and train by doing more than leg presses and shrugs.

its free entertainment for the intelligent peoples

 

[Teutonic]

I may leave mom s house go to France and drive the chunnel just to drown that lil fuck in a moat somewhere.

Oh..those lifts were 21 years ago fellas...just to set the record straight.

I m just a feeble frail old fat fukker with 2 Bachelor s and a Masters sitting on my ass wishing I did not have to be stuck looking like I do in my AVI.

 

[randy841]

well the weight gainer i drink is called "muscle juice" and its 1040 cal a serving (i was thinking 2500 cause that's the double dose with milk instead of water). i would rock at min 4 doses a day. sometimes more depending.

Using the same bro

Muscle Juice Revolution 2600

It is 1020 calories for 4 scoops (contrary to above #s this morning). They list 4 scoops as 1 serving = 1020cal.

Lactantia 3.25% Milk = 160 cal per cup/250ml

So sounds about right.

I get close to 1800 calories (w/ milk) just off the shakes daily on workout days, the rest is food.

On another note remember that real food counts for much more at the metabolic and anabolic level, and provides better growth.

But "4 doses" which = 4 scoops each per 1 serving = 16 scoops = 4080 cal + Milk, would give the best of them runs. As i tend to mix my weight gainer w/ whey protein to get additional protein, i get the runs on a wkly basis. So I cut the shakes a little to replace w/ more real food.

 

[RJ]

what i don't understand is why guys use those crazy ass weight gainers anyway? Its not like a 185lb guy can use that many cals in one sitting. Hell, i couldn't use all that food 4 times a day.

Remember for anyone looking at this. You don't have to eat 10K cals a day to grow, you just have to eat good food above your maintenance (500-1000 is fine).

Stop wasting money on that garbage and buy steaks.

 

[randy841]

what i don't understand is why guys use those crazy ass weight gainers anyway? Its not like a 185lb guy can use that many cals in one sitting. Hell, i couldn't use all that food 4 times a day.

Remember for anyone looking at this. You don't have to eat 10K cals a day to grow, you just have to eat good food above your maintenance (500-1000 is fine).

Stop wasting money on that garbage and buy steaks.

Good points RJ, I may not be the best example as my diet is vegetarian. So i try to get that extra kick in terms of protein by supplementing them w/ weight gainers & protein shakes.

After the initial shock w/ weight gainers & protein for the first 5 weeks on T/E, cut intake in 1/2 w/ more food. Still growing and gaining strength optimally.

If i could eat steaks, i would.

 

[cyto33]

i like to eat beef curtains. 2-3 times a day but i never fill up.

 

[drewbolic]

yeah except somehow i dont see doctors (accomplished and educated people) being the ones sitting around on a forum talking shit about someones accomplishments for no apparent reason other then dickish (insecure ego bully like) nature. that's left for the lower socioeconomic level have a good day guys.

Ohhhhhhh...oh snap!

 

[RJ]

Good points RJ, I may not be the best example as my diet is vegetarian. So i try to get that extra kick in terms of protein by supplementing them w/ weight gainers & protein shakes.

After the initial shock w/ weight gainers & protein for the first 5 weeks on T/E, cut intake in 1/2 w/ more food. Still growing and gaining strength optimally.

If i could eat steaks, i would.

well then you would certainly be the exception.

Man I don't see how you vegitarians do that shit. Much respect for the discipline, just don't see how.

 

[drewbolic]

well we are on the subject of suspect claims of weight gain....
randy841 in your sig it say test enanthate for 14-16 weeks start date was Nov.22 and then under that it says Dec 12th ^18lb and dec22^221/4lb
You gained 18lbs in 20 days? and 22lbs in 30.
IDK I call bullshit on this one.
jussayin

 

[RJ]

well we are on the subject of suspect claims of weight gain....
randy841 in your sig it say test enanthate for 14-16 weeks start date was Nov.22 and then under that it says Dec 12th ^18lb and dec22^221/4lb
You gained 18lbs in 20 days? and 22lbs in 30.
IDK I call bullshit on this one.
jussayin

and on a vegetarian diet? Damn, i didn't see that. If that's the case maybe i should be a vegetarian. lol

I'm a strict Vagitarius and i haven't gained half that in over 20 years.

 

[randy841]

well we are on the subject of suspect claims of weight gain....
randy841 in your sig it say test enanthate for 14-16 weeks start date was Nov.22 and then under that it says Dec 12th ^18lb and dec22^221/4lb
You gained 18lbs in 20 days? and 22lbs in 30.
IDK I call bullshit on this one.
jussayin

Many are too quick to call "bullshit". Bandwagon effect?

If you read it right, you would see that by Dec 12th i was ^18lb, & by the Dec 22 i was ^ 22 1/4lb. Since then i have gained another few pounds.

So if i said
Jan 11 ^26lb

18lb + 22lb + 26+ = 66lb

Now i call that addition bullshit. Don't you?

Not sure how hard that tag is too read. Whatever you see in the tag is confirmed in my elaborate logs.

Lets get off the bullshit bandwagon and all get a reality check. If we were all guilty by the opinion of the public, it would render our judicial system unjust. So again lets all make less "bullshit calls" and do a reality check first.

 

[randy841]

I'm a strict Vagitarius

Damn RJ, you have a way w/ words. LOL