Lots of questions regarding SARMS. Help!

[Catfathers]

Gentlemen,

I am going to shamelessly ask for some pretty direct advice. I realize how taboo it is, and how it comes off as sheer laziness and unwillingness to put in the research time by I'm deployed and using the Internet isn't terribly easy nor reliable so scouring hundreds of pages of logs, reviews, etc would take exponentially longer than normal.

I'm not new to bodybuilding nor things like PHs, though I haven't ran anything in years. I'm sure everyone's bar/standard for experience varies widely but I've been training pretty religiously for 5-6 years and I'm no slouch by appearance either. I have been looking into S4 after realizing just how much PHs have fallen off (the ban was news to me).

I don't have even a faint idea where to get Nolva or Clomid online, and from what I gather S4 is the least suppressive and won't require those more hard to get PCT items. Is that true? Whenever Clomid or Nolva come up everyone gets all tight lipped and says google it, but there's no way to know who or what is reliable and no one seems to be willing to give a url out for whatever reason.

I'm 5'11" 202 17% BF. Is S4 comparable to say, halodrol or epistane as standalones? Even remotely? From what I gather 50mg is the sweet spot. Can someone please recommend me precisely what I need for support supps and PCT as well? I know how lazy this comes off but I'd hugely appreciate it! I'll even run a log on my laptop and post it once everything is finished being that posting everyday is a non option.

I've read the name SarmsSearch a million times now. I'll just go with them despite being expensive. I'm sold on SarmsSearch here gents, no need to detail their awesomeness to me I really appreciate any help anyone can offer!

Edit: my goals are simply to get bigger without adding too much fat. If I lose a bit which I gather is possible great!

 

[Megatron28]

You can get clomid and nolva (and sarms) from RUI. Their banner ad is at the top of your screen.

 

[Catfathers]

Thanks! Much appreciated.

I'm looking at SarmsSearch and it seems everything is in liquid and not in tablet form. Being that dosages are always listed in mg and not ml, what is the conversion? I'm looking at Osta at 20mg daily and S4 at 50 daily, divided into two. Is that right? Do I divide the Osta into two doses as well? What support sups should I run that you guys can recommend? Also, should I use both Clomid and Nolva? At what doses based on the compounds I'll be using? Any other recommendations for my pct support supps? If someone could write out a protocol including support supps for both on and pct id be endlessly grateful!

 

[Megatron28]

Thanks! Much appreciated.

I'm looking at SarmsSearch and it seems everything is in liquid and not in tablet form. Being that dosages are always listed in mg and not ml, what is the conversion? I'm looking at Osta at 20mg daily and S4 at 50 daily, divided into two. Is that right? Do I divide the Osta into two doses as well? What support sups should I run that you guys can recommend? Also, should I use both Clomid and Nolva? At what doses based on the compounds I'll be using? Any other recommendations for my pct support supps? If someone could write out a protocol including support supps for both on and pct id be endlessly grateful!

Yes, clomid and nolva for PCT. Read the FAQs thread linked below in my signature. It addresses many of your questions.

The products you purchase will tell you how many mg each ml has so you can dose them using a 1ml oral syringe. You just have to do some math.

 

[Yjyankee]

For the s-4, go 25mg 2x a day. For Osta, just one 25mg dose each morning.

PCT, I'd run
Clomid 50/50/50/50
Nolva 40/20/20/20

Like Megatron said, just do the math when you get your bottles. They'll have a dropper w/ measurements on them, or you can use a small oral syringe.

If you haven't made your order yet, be sure and use the code FORUM30 for 30% off your order! Thanks for serving!

 

[Catfathers]

Thank you so much and I'll definitely be using the code! Is there a code for RUI as well?

What about support supplements while on cycle and then support supps for PCT? I've read through what Meagtron linked and it's solid stuff - fish oils, amino acids I've never heard of but sound interesting, and NAC. Are there any paticular products that are all inclusive or that are in addition to that list?

Will I need more than 1 bottle of each for an 8 week run? What about the Clomi/Tamox

Edit: I'm not a retard, I promise I'm just terrified to mess this up. I'll need 2x Osta and 1 S4, yes? At the 25mg of Osta and 50 of S4 being that they're 30ml bottles and the S4 is 100mg/ml and the Osta is 25mg/ml

 

[jozifp103]

Thank you so much and I'll definitely be using the code! Is there a code for RUI as well?

What about support supplements while on cycle and then support supps for PCT? I've read through what Meagtron linked and it's solid stuff - fish oils, amino acids I've never heard of but sound interesting, and NAC. Are there any paticular products that are all inclusive or that are in addition to that list?

Will I need more than 1 bottle of each for an 8 week run? What about the Clomi/Tamox

Edit: I'm not a retard, I promise I'm just terrified to mess this up. I'll need 2x Osta and 1 S4, yes? At the 25mg of Osta and 50 of S4 being that they're 30ml bottles and the S4 is 100mg/ml and the Osta is 25mg/ml

All that is required are the sarms themselves, and PCT. Liver supps can never hurt and are always recommended. Other than that...it's up to you what you want to run for support. Everything looks good though. Should be a good run for you.

 

[Ganicus]

as far as the math goes, isn't that what computers and I pads are for? see this is the problem, if they would have given problems in school like

tony wants to get big so how many ml or cc of test would tony need for 12 weeks

guarantee you I would have gotten into college on a math scholarship

 

[juced_porkchop]

You can get clomid and nolva (and sarms) from RUI. Their banner ad is at the top of your screen.

yep a good place, been around years.
and its mg and says n bottle if is says for eg 30mg/ml then 1ml = 30mg.

SARMS do cause shutdown and should be used with a test base IMO. if you cant take a hrt dose atleast, then dont use anything. maybe look at peptides like igf1 or combos like ghrp2 and mod grf. also mk677 is a good one.

how old re you?

wait till age 25 +, being over 19 doesnt mean you are finished your internal development and using sarms and/or straight aas can cause you issues for life if used before 25 IMO

i would rec s4 or osta for 6ish weeks with test 4 for 12-14 wks and a pct of clomid and tamox combo for 4-5 weeks

 

[Catfathers]

Some of the lingo/acronyms are escaping me but any IM substance is totally off the table. The logistics involved simply aren't in the cards. I'm 26 years old and will be running this with some simple cycle support and pct support capsules and a multi vitamin. That should do it, no?

Also is there some tips or voodoo to taking this? Just in the dropper then down the hatch? Should I mix it with something, avoid food or water for x long before or after, anything like that? Always blown away by the willingness people show to help one another around here!

 

[Ganicus]

yes im still new here however I have been reading a lot and trying to learn as much as possible. I think the best advice you have here on this thread is from juiced

"SARMS do cause shutdown and should be used with a test base IMO. if you cant take a hrt dose atleast, then dont use anything. maybe look at peptides like igf1 or combos like ghrp2 and mod grf. also mk677 is a good one. "

so from one newbie to another, imo and if I were you- I would NOT partake in any research until you are able to have something more than a "simple cycle support". there is nothing simple about this and if you read a little more, you will see users mention that Sarms will shut you down. Simple plant extracts are good if you want to start a garden.

if you are going to do this right, then do this right

if you don't really give a shit, then by all means do as you wish. its your life

 

[Catfathers]

I'm heartbroken if that's the general concenses of the group. I'll take that advice, it's just not what I want to hear because it means it's a no-go. I've looked into those other compounds and they don't seem super appealing. Wouldn't the PCT listed above help rectify any potential damage in short order? Are other methods available for TRT/HRT other than IM that are in the same legal sphere are SARMS? If so, where?

 

[Ganicus]

megatrons advice will help. listen i thought the same thing except when i was looking into this, at first i was going to go with a supp company and use pill form. more research and by my choice i decided that if i am going to do this, I am going to use what will work best. further more reading and asking ( please keep asking, this is the place because members here are willing to help) i was concerned about shutdown. That is something i never experienced before. even with prior PH usage, i never had any reason to think of it or have it affect me.

when i read more, it appears; again each persons research is completely different and so are the lab animals. So having clomid on hand for a just in case is better than the "oh fuck, situation". also, it appears that the shut down was more towards those using while Running 2 or more compounds or even a AAS or PH at the same time. again, understand that each test subject is different and a subjects outcome maybe entirely different.

does this mean stay away? not sure what other compounds you are referring too? the pct or sarms?

from my reading the S4 is up there and will bring on results however with that being said there are some side effects that concern me for my research. The yellowish eye or late night vision issues scare the shit out of me. However reading more into the logs, the research was done at higher doses right from the start or not splitting as recommend. Pfizzle has a sticky post which indicates a guideline for dosing.

from what i found people where using this for the first time or jumping right in at a higher does right from the start. IMHO that is completely insane. those who followed proper protocol, upped the dose after a few days and paid close attn to the subject. if at a time results were not positive the dose was reduced and still yielded a positive outcome.

I am looking in LG for my first test and instead of 8 weeks (to min shutdown) i will run at 6. I believe that i will be at the range to start seeing results that will not cause too much of an issue. I will have what i need on hand in case.

just do a little more reading

ps rui has a 20% sale this week

 

[Megatron28]

Some of the lingo/acronyms are escaping me but any IM substance is totally off the table. The logistics involved simply aren't in the cards. I'm 26 years old and will be running this with some simple cycle support and pct support capsules and a multi vitamin. That should do it, no?

Also is there some tips or voodoo to taking this? Just in the dropper then down the hatch? Should I mix it with something, avoid food or water for x long before or after, anything like that? Always blown away by the willingness people show to help one another around here!

Why can't you do injections logistically?

 

[Catfathers]

I have the Clomid and the Tamox, I should state that outright. I'm not relying on some Amazon PCT as my sole PCT. that's just in addition to the legit stuff. I think there may have been some confusion. And I can't do IM because of my location and the fact that there are additional risks involved with IM that can't be written off. It's extremely apparent what you were doing, really. On top of that those substances are straight illegal, cut and dry and getting them where I'm at is a whole different ordeal.

 

[Megatron28]

I have the Clomid and the Tamox, I should state that outright. I'm not relying on some Amazon PCT as my sole PCT. that's just in addition to the legit stuff. I think there may have been some confusion. And I can't do IM because of my location and the fact that there are additional risks involved with IM that can't be written off. It's extremely apparent what you were doing, really. On top of that those substances are straight illegal, cut and dry and getting them where I'm at is a whole different ordeal.

Care to elaborate? Are you in prison perhaps?

And what are the additional risks involved with IM injections? People have been doing them safely for quite some time.

 

[Milton]

I'm heartbroken if that's the general concenses of the group. I'll take that advice, it's just not what I want to hear because it means it's a no-go. I've looked into those other compounds and they don't seem super appealing. Wouldn't the PCT listed above help rectify any potential damage in short order? Are other methods available for TRT/HRT other than IM that are in the same legal sphere are SARMS? If so, where?

Its better to get the real scoop here from guys who know whats up than from your doc years later when your lying in a hospital gurney with him saying..." I told you so"

 

[tx045]

Run a serm throughout the sarm cycle and thru pct and you should be fine

 

[Catfathers]

Not in prison but deployed. So run Clomid the entire time? At what dosages? In all seriousness should I scrap this entire does being that I cannot run HRT? I've seen several logs of people doing LGD/S4/GW which by all accounts in several steps more hardcore without HRT

 

[tx045]

The serm will help offset the suppression while you're running sarms