Mass Me UP! 14 Weeks 2nd Cycle, Critique Please

[Kazu]

Hi All,

I've written this cycle as compatible as I can based on my resources & access to gear used in this cycle, I'll try to be as brief & informative as possible

My Stats & Background:

Age: 34 years
Hight: 180cm (5'10)
Wight: 93Kgs (204.6 lbs)
Body Fat: 16% (estimated)
Body Type: Mesomorph
Training: 3+ years
Previous AAS Cycle: Sus250/Dbol 8 Weeks (Jan. 2010)

AAS:
1-Sustanon250 1mL (5 ampules) *Previously Owned*
2-Equipoise 10mL/50mg (2 vials) *Previously Owned*
3-Equipoise 10mL/200mg (2 vials)
4-Testosterone Enanthate 1mL/250mg (20 ampules)
5-Winstrol Depot 20mL/50mg (1 vial) *Previously Owned*
6-Anavar 100tables/10mg (1 bottle) *Previously Owned*
7-Arimidex 50tables/1mg (1 bottle)

Nolovadex, Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) & Proviron are in check & in hand.

Preload Phase (Front Load):

Week 1 Sustanon @ 250mg X 3 + EQ @ 500mg
Week 2 Sustanon @ 250mg X 2 + EQ @ 500mg
==========================
Week 3 - 14 Testosterone Enanthate @ 500mg Each Week
Week 3 - 14 Equipoise @ 400mg Each Week
Week 3 - 14 Arimidex @ .5mg EOD
Week 4 - 14 Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) @ 500ui Each Week Thank you (djm6464, safety-man)
Week 11 - 13 Winstrol Depot @ 50mg ED
Week 11 - 14 Anavar @ 30mg ED

PCT

Week 16 - 20

Nolvadex @ 40mg then drop it 20mg last 2 weeks

During cycle: Thank you (scotimusprime & cyto33)

1-Animal Pak (Multi Vitamins which has Milk Thistle 250mg) 1-Pack
2-Animal Flex (Joints) 1-Pack
3-Animal Omega (EFA's) 1-Pack
4-Niacin Flush Free (400mgs) 1-Cap
4-Himalaya Liv.52 DS (Double Strength) 2-Caps

Training & Diet:

Lean & Clean whenever possible food rounding 2400-2500 cals. High Protein (Thank you Dead Pirate Roberts I've learned it the HARD way) Cheat meals included.

Regarding my training am kinda off base here, either I'd go with:

1- 2on/off/2on/2off (heavy loads + 2 muscle groups + 30-45 min LIIT cardio).

2- 5 days split (muscle a day + 30-45 min LIIT cardio) with Weekends off.

because am using "THE TRI-PHASE TRAINING VOL.2" from Scivation & its awesome to me but, I'd like to squeeze out all of what I can from this cycle.

Thank you

 

[djm6464]

Hi All,

I've written this cycle as compatible as I can based on my resources & access to gear used in this cycle, I'll try to be as brief & informative as possible

My Stats & Background:

Age: 34 years
Hight: 180cm (5'10)
Wight: 93Kgs (204.6 lbs)
Body Fat: 16% (estimated)
Body Type: Mesomorph
Training: 3+ years
Previous AAS Cycle: Sus250/Dbol 8 Weeks (Jan. 2010)

AAS:
1-Sustanon250 1mL (5 ampules) *Previously Owned*
2-Equipoise 10mL/50mg (2 vials) *Previously Owned*
3-Equipoise 10mL/200mg (2 vials)
4-Testosterone Enanthate 1mL/250mg (20 ampules)
5-Winstrol Depot 20mL/50mg (1 vial) *Previously Owned*
6-Anavar 100tables/10mg (1 bottle) *Previously Owned*
7-Arimidex 50tables/1mg (1 bottle)

Nolovadex, Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) & Proviron are in check & in hand.

Preload Phase (Front Load):

Week 1 Sustanon @ 250mg X 3 + EQ @ 500mg
Week 2 Sustanon @ 250mg X 2 + EQ @ 500mg
==========================
Week 3 – 14 Testosterone Enanthate @ 500mg Each Week
Week 3 – 14 Equipoise @ 400mg Each Week
Week 3 - 14 Arimidex @ .5mg EOD
Week 4 - 12 Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) @ 500ui Each Week
Week 11 - 13 Winstrol Depot @ 50mg ED
Week 11 - 14 Anavar @ 30mg ED

Training & Diet:

Lean & Clean whenever possible food rounding 2400-2500 cals. High Protein (Thank you Dead Pirate Roberts I've learned it the HARD way) Cheat meals included.

Regarding my training am kinda off base here, either I'd go with:

1- 2on/off/2on/2off (heavy loads + 2 muscle groups + 30-45 min LIIT cardio).

2- 5 days split (muscle a day + 30-45 min LIIT cardio) with Weekends off.

because am using "THE TRI-PHASE TRAINING VOL.2" from Scivation & its awesome to me but, I'd like to squeeze out all of what I can from this cycle.

Thank you

id run the Anavar (var) out 2wks longer during the 'dead' wks while you wait for the test to clear, id start bold wk1, and Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) id run up to 1wk prior to pct....probably at 250iu x 2....oh and id probably drop the Winstrol (winny) or the var, i wouldnt use both seeing they essentially do similar stuff (id vote var)....im gonna say you need to eat a bit more seeing you wanna put on more size, but im assuming the bold will make you eat more anyway........uh maybe someone with more experience will chime in

 

[cyto33]

I'm not going to say anything about this right now. nothing positive or negative.
i want to see what others will say first. see if they find any fault is this.

 

[scotimusprime]

2400 cals is too low if you train 5 days a week. i understand you want to cut but i still think that is way too low

 

[scotimusprime]

also i see no need to frontload the sust and eq as well as you have no PCT outlined.....

 

[djm6464]

I'm not going to say anything about this right now. nothing positive or negative.
i want to see what others will say first. see if they find any fault is this.

seeing its a 2nd cycle, first alot of variables, too many...test/bold 14wks w/ Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) would be sufficient....seeing he probably wants to use what hes got

1-14 test
1-14 bold***id do 600mg not 400mg, if you dont have enough get more
11-16 var
3-13 hcg***250iu e3d/e4d instead of the 500, you dont want to overstimulate the leydig cells

pct ???????????? mmmm
i wouldnt use the arimidex unless you REALLY needed

btw my gf who weighs half of me takes in the same amount of calories give or take....

seeing its bold id even push everything out another 2wks too

 

[safety-man]

well as its laid out the eq, Anavar (var) and Winstrol (winny) are a waste of time, and hitting Anavar (var) and Winstrol (winny) together is not optimal imo.

the front load makes no sence as switching test levels will only mess with blood levels.

hcg should be run for an extra 2 weeks.

 

[cyto33]

your all right.

here what he is front loading

30 mg testosterone propionate 90mg good for 3 days
60 mg testosterone phenylpropionate 180mg 4 days
60 mg testosterone isocaproate 180mg 9 days
100 mg testosterone decanoate 300mg 15days

and then again on the 2nd week but only twice.

whats the point of a front load when your not using the base roid wich is the TEST E and in my opinion is run to short.
and yesthe EQ is wasted as it is not run high enough and not long enough.

AI is being used and he never said if he was prone to gyno so will he really need it.
hcg is not started untill week 4 the testical will have shrunk by then and now you just have to bring them back up why wait.
and both orals run at the same time and not liver support

and way to many compound for a second cycle.
this just what i see. i'm not claiming to be right but this just not some thing i would ever do myself or advise some one to do.

 

[safety-man]

your all right.

here what he is front loading

30 mg testosterone propionate 90mg good for 3 days
60 mg testosterone phenylpropionate 180mg 4 days
60 mg testosterone isocaproate 180mg 9 days
100 mg testosterone decanoate 300mg 15days

and then again on the 2nd week but only twice.

whats the point of a front load when your not using the base roid wich is the TEST E and in my opinion is run to short.
and yesthe EQ is wasted as it is not run high enough and not long enough.

AI is being used and he never said if he was prone to gyno so will he really need it.
hcg is not started untill week 4 the testical will have shrunk by then and now you just have to bring them back up why wait.
and both orals run at the same time and not liver support

and way to many compound for a second cycle.
this just what i see. i'm not claiming to be right but this just not some thing i would ever do myself or advise some one to do.

if your not going to say it then i will...you are right!

 

[scotimusprime]

your right cyto! i def missed the 2 orals w/ no liver support

 

[bodymax1]

to sum it up i think this cycle just looks to complicated anyway it looks like you got all the leftover stuff from your source and just mashed it together till it looked like it might do something being only your second cycle keep it simple still. something like this

test e 500mgs for 10 weeks
eq 500 mgs for 10 weeks
winny 50 mgs EOD for the last 5 weeks
1 mg adex EOD starting 14 days after your first shot

*i know that 10 weeks is a bit short for a test e cycle but im working with what you have

*as far as Winstrol (winny) and eq together they work great the last 5 weeks will really harden up the muscle you are building and make it easier to keep gains after the cycle

*as far as pct goes adex is great for bringing up natural test levels more so than nolva i would add some Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) in there starting 7 days after your last shot i would do 5000 iu every 5 days for 15-25 days depending on how your body acts if you cannot get any Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) them tribulus terestris can do wonders imo

*pm me if any questions

 

[bodymax1]

also you can run the Anavar (var) for the duration of your Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) therapy to help keep the gains you made as Anavar (var) in moderate doses has no effect on endogenous test levels

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

var in moderate doses has no effect on endogenous test levels

says who?

post a study please............

 

[djm6464]

Adex you are asking for a rebound if its used in pct...
AI on cycle...
Serm pct.....
HCG for preservation of testicular sensitivity, use 250iu every 4 day starting 14 days after your first AAS dose. At the end of the cycle, drop the hCG two weeks before the AAS clear the system. For example, you would drop hCG about the same time as your last Testosterone Enanthate shot. Or, if you are ending the cycle with orals, you would drop the hCG about 10 days before your last oral dose. This will allow for a sudden and even clearance in hormone levels. This will initiate a strong LH and FSH surge from the pituitary, to begin stimulating your testes to produce testosterone. Recovery doesn't begin until you are off hCG since your body will not release its own LH until the hCG has cleared the system.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

ai is steroidal and with adex you are asking for a rebound if its used in pct.....
ai on cycle
serm pct.....

explain the logic here please..........

 

[Ythrashin]

Adex you are asking for a rebound if its used in pct...
AI on cycle...
Serm pct.....
HCG for preservation of testicular sensitivity, use 250iu every 4 day starting 14 days after your first AAS dose. At the end of the cycle, drop the hCG two weeks before the AAS clear the system. For example, you would drop hCG about the same time as your last Testosterone Enanthate shot. Or, if you are ending the cycle with orals, you would drop the hCG about 10 days before your last oral dose. This will allow for a sudden and even clearance in hormone levels. This will initiate a strong LH and FSH surge from the pituitary, to begin stimulating your testes to produce testosterone. Recovery doesn't begin until you are off hCG since your body will not release its own LH until the hCG has cleared the system.

No continue using your Aromatase inhibitor (AI) during post cycle therapy (pct). Nolva/Clomid does nothing to reduce estrogen, only blocks it.

Why would you drop Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) use while using orals 10 days before starting post cycle therapy (pct). There any logic in that?

 

[Ythrashin]

hcg is not started untill week 4 the testical will have shrunk by then and now you just have to bring them back up why wait.

Waiting to start Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) till week 3 or 4 is actually a protocol used by many. Starting Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) early will shut down your HPTA/LH production faster then just using Test.

In the long run though starting right away or 3-4 weeks in probably wouldnt make that much of a difrence as far as HPTA recovery after the cycle.

 

[djm6464]

from my understanding, adex could cause a rebound as opposed to aromasin which i think would be good in pct at a low dose.....

i know people use nolva on cycle, but personally i think its better the aromasin on/nolva pct...

****im 100% sure you have more experience, so correct me here if theres holes in that

 

[djm6464]

No continue using your Aromatase inhibitor (AI) during post cycle therapy (pct). Nolva/Clomid does nothing to reduce estrogen, only blocks it.

Why would you drop Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) use while using orals 10 days before starting post cycle therapy (pct). There any logic in that?

my bad, typing faster than i can think, id stop it a week prior to post cycle therapy (pct), regardless of the oral...i agree on the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) in post cycle therapy (pct), but not adex, aromasin......personally torem 60mg/aromasin 12.5mg is what i like
***same thing though, if there is holes in my thinking, shoot

 

[Ythrashin]

from my understanding, adex could cause a rebound as opposed to aromasin which i think would be good in pct at a low dose.....

i know people use nolva on cycle, but personally i think its better the aromasin on/nolva pct...

****im 100% sure you have more experience, so correct me here if theres holes in that

I agree aromasin is the better choice for PCT use but Adex will work.

You are correct that there is more estro rebound when you discontinue adex over aromasin.There will a rebound effect after stopping any Aromatase inhibitor (AI) though. Tapering off is the solution...

Using a Aromatase inhibitor (AI) during PCT will prevent what little Testosterone your body is producing from being converted into Estro.

Aromasin has also been shown to increase LH production so may also aid in recovery.

Not sure what you meant in this sentance though...

i know people use nolva on cycle, but personally i think its better the aromasin on/nolva pct...