Mexico Gear (Dirty) ????

tommygunn76

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Ok I have gotten some Test Prim-D from Mexico. I have pinned nmy self twice so far once in each shoulder. My shoulder where I have pinned hurts like fucking hell,its not so bad that I cant move it. Feels like some one has punched me in the shoulder. I have notice that both area's that I have Pinned ( Pinned on Monday,and on Thurday) kinda get a red look around the area but goes away in 4 or 5 days. Is this normal? Or is it just the Mexico gear? I know the stuff from Z never makes me sore...ever.
 
some guys here said me several times than mexican gear are the worst on the planet.

i don't know if they are the worst of the planet, but i realy think after numerous feedback than they are no good at all.

switch.
 
Yeah its painful and sore to the touch. Kinda red around the injection area. I hate to throw it away though hahaha. I mean the pain isnt so bad that I cant move my arm, its just really really sore
 
Ok did another pin today,on my other shoulder. Guess we will see how sore this one gets. Like ya said Pickle Mexico Test Prim-D is painful but it work. I agree with that.Just not sure if I can tuff it out for 12 weeks like this hahaha. Maybe my injection site will get use to the poke and not be as sore every time we will see.
 
Heat and sore "like a hard punch" is consistent with "bugs" but also ethanol is well known for PIP of this nature.

Mexico is great for Donkey Shows.
 
It might be garbage but it is working. Not sure if the pain is worth it though, I can barely lift my arm over my head now from the pin I did this morning. Is there anything I can do to ease the pain or help it go away faster? Meds,Hot pads,Ice???? help me out here plz. I dont wanna trash the gear if I can ease up the pain some.
 
Ok found this while I was serching the web to see Y I hurt so dam bad and what I can take or do to help ease the pain.

Here's an quick overview of why it hurts, and some suggestions for how to make your next injections less painfull. Every juicer has experienced this at some point.. the Sustanon strut.. the Propinate peg leg... and the list goes on. Often the soreness will last up to a week and end up effecting your workout and often your whole lifestyle. So what's up? Why does it hurt and what can I do to lessen the pain? Below is a quick explination. Why it hurts: It's simple.... you're causing muscle trama. This often causes swelling of the muscle which will make matters worse. You cause muscle trama from an injection in a few different ways. Let's look at how we're causing this trama. 1) Big ole hole in your muscle! Obviously a needle is going to damage your muscle as it cuts a hole often a inch or deeper into your muscle. Usually this is the least of your worries/pain. 2) Forceing a bunch of oil into your muscle. Believe it or not, mother nature didn't design our muscles with the consideration that we'd be forcing a bunch of oil into them. The oil spreads the muscle fibers apart which causes muscle trama. 3) Benzyl Alcohol. This is what's used to disolve the steroid into the oil suspension. Your muscles don't particularly like this stuff. So what can we do to lessen the pain? 1) Massage the muscle/injection site well after your injection. This helps to spread the oil out evenly throughout your muscle causing less trama to any 1 particular part of the muscle. 2) Warm up your gear! Run your syringe under hot water for a couple of minutes. Heating the oil makes it thinner which again will help to allow it to spread out evenly throughout your muscle. 3) Cut your steroid with a less painful steroid, STERILE oil, or even Sterile Vitamin B12 oil. This will help dilute the concenration of Benzyl Alcohol. MAKE SURE IT'S A STERILE OIL!!!! 4) More injections of less steroid. It's not the needle that causes post injection pain, it's the steroid. Often splitting up your 3cc dose into 2 x 1.5cc injections will make life much less painfull. 5) Inject SLOWLY! The slower the better. This helps to allow some of the oil to move away from the injection site on it's own. The more you force the oil into the muscle, the more the muscle fibers near the injection site are going to be forced apart (causing muscle trama) to accomadate the oil. 6) Try to keep a steady hand. The tip of the needle is like a razor blade inside your muscle, the more you move it around, the more it's going to cut up your muscle. Notes: -Your muscles will often get "used" to injections. Most juicers report that each injection gets a little easier and less painful (up to a point) -A "stronger steroid" will have more Benzyl Alcohol in it than a weaker steroid. Ie) 200mg/ml Propinate will have twice as much Benzyl Alcohol in it than 100mg/ml propinate. Hence, the stronger steroids will ofter cause more post injection pain. -Every juicer's body responds differently to gear. Something that was painful to you may cause no pain for someone else or vice versa.
 
There is good Mexican. Just gotta know what the hell
your lookin for and lookin at. Had plenty of Sustanon (sust) redi-ject from mex that is legit among others. Those days are gone for me now. Watson forward!
 
I copied and pasted from another board


Ester – An ester is a chemical modification were a alkyl group or groups are added to increase circulating time of a steroid compound, which controls the release of the hormone into the blood. The first word in the chemical name is the hormone , and the second word is the ester attached to the hormone ; for example in Testosterone Enanthate the hormone is “Testosterone ” and the ester is “Enanthate ”. The only difference between Testosterone Enanthate , Testosterone Decanoate and TestosteronePropionate is the rate of release of the hormone into the blood stream.

Short ester – breaks down more quickly, requires EOD or ED injections . Examples are acetate and propionate

Long ester – allows for a slower break down, therefore 2XW injections . Examples are Enanthate and Decanoate.

17aa – Changing (Alpha Alkalizing) a hormone ’s seventeenth position from carbon to a double hydrogen (C -> H2). Also known as “Methyl”. This process protects the hormone through the first pass in the liver, allowing a usable amount of hormone to be left over. Examples are M1T (Methyl-1-Test ) and M-Tren (Metrienolone)

Suspension – A non-esterfied hormone (Testosterone, no ester) or a 17aa that is “suspended” in a liquid solution to be injected or swallowed. More commonly water based but can also be found oil based. The most common example is injectable Winstrol. Very painful due to fast release and also ED or 2XD injections are necessary. The only real advantages to using suspensions are the quick rates at which they enter the blood and are released from the blood, great for controlling exact levels and avoiding testing.
What causes (non infection related) injection pain?

first the shorter the ester, the higher the melting point
secind, the concentration of the gear.
third, the solvents used.
fourth, injecting too quickly
fifth, virgin muscle.

Pain is caused when the oil/solvents are absorbed by the body and crystals are left behind.
Short esters (propionate or acetate) are harder, more painful crystals with melting points in the 100c range.
A hormone with a longer esters (excluding cypionate - cyp is long but also high melting point) can have a melting point in the 20c-40c range. not far off from human body temp.

Pain is also caused by concentration of your gear.
Building off of point 1: Let's say it takes the body 24 hours to absorb 1mL of a certain oil/solvent blend, and 24 hours to absorb 50mg of TestosteronePropionate . If 50mg (or less) of testosteronepropionate is in 1mL of that oil, this injection should be painless. On the other hand, if 100mg of testosteronepropionate is in that same 1mL of solution, then after 24 hours the body will have absorbed 50mg and 1mL, leaving 50mg behind in the injection area, crystalized and painful.
Its better to shoot 3mL of 50mg/mL TestosteronePropionate than 1mL of 150mg/mL TestosteronePropionate .
This is also why water based suspensions (Testosterone base/no ester, Winstrol ) hurt the most, water is very easily absorbed in the body

The solvents used can cause pain in 2 ways. Benzyl alcohol (BA) is used at 1%-2% as a preservative and antiseptic. If the alcohol content is too high the gear will burn. Pain in the first 24 hours is usually caused by heavy solvents, pain in the next few hours is usually cause by crystalization. Another way is a bad recipe. if someone used 2% BA, and the rest of the solution oil, the mg/mL would have to be low due to oil's weak ability to hold crystals. On the other hand, a recipe like 2% BA, 5% Guaiacol (super solvent), 10% Benzyl Salicylate (liquid asprin) with the filler split 50:50 between Ethyl Oleate (oil/solvent hybrid) and normal oil should be far less painful.

If you inject too quickly it can tear tissue.

If your muscle is new to the hormone , it will absorb the hormone very slowly, but absorb the oil/solvent very quickly. This will cause more crystalization and pain. As your muscles recognize the hormones, they will be absorbed more quickly, thus less pain. The deeper you inject into the center of a muscle group, the better.

How do I prevent pain before I inject?

Cut your shots 50:50 with sterile filtered oil. If you want to use 50mg of TestosteronePropionate , and you have 100mg/mL TestosteronePropionate - pull 0.5mL of your test prop, and 0.5mL of sterile filtered oil to shoot 1mL of 50mg/mL TestosteronePropionate . This is the #1 best way.
Dont bother with b-12, its water based- absorbed so quickly it will have little to no impact.

Before you shoot, it can help to warm your gear some (especially suspensions). You could put the vial in the bathroom sink and let hot water run over the vial for 2 minutes, and shake well. This will lower the oils viscosity also making it easier it pull into the syringe.

Inject slowly, take 30 seconds per mL. Use a 25g pin to inject so it forces you to move slowly.

If none of these work you could have dirty gear. Its possible there could be particles (although bacteriostatic) in the gear that are not causing infection, but still cause in site infection that made it through a filter.

How do I deal with pain once I have it?

The worst thing you can do is ice it. Cold will help the crystals fall out of solution/suspension .
Its okay to take some ibuprofin to decrease the swelling, and help with pain.
Also being in a hot tub, or jacuzzi, or warm bubble bath will help melt the crystals down. Using a heating pad can help also.
 
Ok I heat up the gear to over 100c. Then pinned myself. Guess I will see if that will help with this god awful gear/ pain. If It does then I will be so happy cause then I will beable to finish up this gear and move on to the better Z :) Fuck Mexico gear
 
yep that sounds like testoprim-D... horrifically painful but it does work. i got my test levels checked while on it and it is definately real..... the 1st time i injected 1 cc into my quad it swelled up into a big knot the size of a tennis ball and i couldnt walk for like 3 days. i also got bad joint pains and flu like symptoms. so to avoid the pain i injected each cc into 4 different spots (each delt and each quad).... and to combat the joint pain i started taking 300-600mg deca with it when i ran out i took 200-600mg ibuprofen day. and thats how u take mexican test!
 
Ok like I said, I heat up the gear by placeing the ample into some boiling water for like 2 min. I loaded my syringe and made sure the gear wasnt to hot. I did half a cc on my right delt and half a cc in my butt. I HAVE NO PAIN OR LUMPS AT ALL! Guess thats the way to take that gear from Mexico. I have to say its good gear I am already starting to feel and see the results after 3 weeks of 400ml of test prim D hahaha. But Z stuff is still better and much much smoother.
 
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