My Androlean log

olivierf57

olivierf57

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Hi all,

I will start a new PP cycle, and a new log here.

I'm 43, 187cm
Weight : 88kg
Waist : 87cm
BF : 13.7% according to YMCA method (I will post before/after pics)

Here my next cycle on 8 weeks :

- Androlean v3 - 6 caps/day
- Androdrive v3 - 3 caps/day
- Androhard v2 - 3 caps/day

I continue to use Dermatherm gel on my abs each morning during all the cycle.
I intend to use AndroEnhance in 3 pumps/day during the 6th first weeks of my cycle.

post cycle therapy (pct) will be TRSv2 fro PP during weeks 9-12, with Ostarine 20mg/day added.

Concerning workouts :
Based on heavy duty workout. No cardio, I'm karateka and I have 2 sessions/week
So, here is my program :
Monday : Chest/Biceps (5PM)
Tuesday : Karate (8PM)
Wednesday : Shoulders/Triceps/Traps (5PM)
Thursday : OFF
Friday : Back (5PM)
Saturday : Karate (10AM)
Sunday : Legs (5PM) - If I'm able to do that .... I need good stability for Karate and legs workouts are important for me.
I will detail all sessions (except Karate of course )

Concerning my diet :
I intend to do "personnalized" Carb Back Loading from Kiefer

Carb BackLoading day : (monday, wednesday, friday, saturday, sunday)
7AM : 1 tablespoon of Coconut Oil / Fish Oil ==> ~130kCal
12PM : Lunch : ~60g prots / ~60g fats ==> ~ 800kCal
16PM : Preworkout shake : ~20g prots / ~20g fats ==> 260kCal
18PM : Postworkout shake : ~40g prots / ~40g carbs ==> ~300kCal
19PM : Dinner : Fish Oil / ~40g prots / ~100-300g carbs ==> Up to 1200kCal
Macros total :
Prots : 160g
Carbs : up to 340g (only after workout)
Fats : ~100g (only before workout)
Total : Up to 2700kCal
My caloric maintenance is about 2400kCal

OFF day : Tuesday and Thursday (like a keto diet)
7AM : 1 tablespoon of Coconut Oil / Fish Oil ==> ~130kCal
12PM : Lunch : ~60g prots / ~60g fats ==> ~ 800kCal
16PM : Snack : ~40g prots / ~40g fats ==> ~500kCal
19PM : Dinner : Fish Oil / ~60g prots / ~60g fats ==> 800kCal
Macros total :
Prots : 160g
Carbs : 0g
Fats : 160g
Total : 2200kCal

I will adapt my diet in function if my BF increases or if I don't gain muscle. I think I will start next week. I will log all my workouts and number of carbs eaten when I carb backloaded.

My first and main aim is to gain LEAN MUSCLE and, if possible, decrease my BF.

Edit 10/18/12 : Cycle change
After advices, I decided to extend my cycle from 8 up to 12 weeks.

Here is what I will do :
- Week 1-12 : 6/AndroLean.v3 3/AndroHard.v3 3pumps/AndroEnhance
- Week 1-12 : 2/AndroDrive
- Week 13-16 : post cycle therapy (pct) with TRSv2 from Primordial Performance

:eyes: (this is a copy of my Primodial Performance log)
 
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Thanks.

I will update this log once a week.

I don't know really when I start but soon. I modified a few bit my stack.

Here is my new stack for my next 8 weeks cycle, for each day :

- 6 caps Androlean v3
- 3 caps Androdrive
- 3 caps Androhard v3
- 4 pumps AndroEnhance
- 1 spoon of Toco 8

PCT for weeks 9-12 with TRS v2 from Primordial Performance
I don't know if I will add Osta RX in the same time. Few people told me it was not a good idea ...
 
Ya don't add Osta to post cycle therapy (pct) it is suppressive...given its mild nature though 4 weeks into post cycle therapy (pct) after you finish you could start it
 
Ok, so I start my next cycle on Monday.

To summarize, for each day (on morning) :

- 6 caps of ALv3
- 3 caps of AHv3
- 3 caps of AD
- 4 pumps of AE

- 2 pumps of Dermatherm Gel cause I like the hot feeling during karate session and workouts (if you read my Dermatherm log, you will see that I doubt this product is really effective if BF is not in a single digit)

my goal is to gain lean muscle (and if it's possible loose some belly fat). Fortunately Androlean v3 is THE belly fat destroyer according to Eric :D

Concerning my diet, I will go on Keto diet for the next week with the same macros than today :

Day ON/OFF : ~2200kCal with ~170g Prots/Fat
Carb refeed on saturday night

For the week 2, always on keto diet but with macros prots/fats increased :
Day ON/OFF : ~2500kCal with ~190g Prots/Fat
Carb refeed on saturday night

For the weeks 3-8, I switch from Keto diet to my personnalized Carb Back-loading from Kiefer

Week 3 :
Day ON : 2800 kCal with 200g of carbs, 240g of prots and 100g of fat (fat before workout and carbs after workout)
Day OFF : 2700kCal with 205g prots/fat like the keto diet (day without resistance training -Saturday excepted :rolleyes: - So OFF on Tuesday, Thursday and on sunday if leg workout is not realized - depending if I'm not too tired)

From week 4, I will increase amount of daily carbs in function of how I feel, and how I look on morning.
For PCT, I will go on like the last week of my cycle

So :
Week 1 : Keto diet - 2200kCal
Week 2 : Keto diet - 2500kCal
Week 3 : Carb Back-loading diet - 2750kCal
Week 4-12 : Carb Back-loading diet - from 2750kCal up to the possible max

My workouts are oriented Heavy Duty (program from Kiefer).
4 workouts/week :
Monday : Chest/biceps
Wednesday : Shoulders/triceps/traps
Friday : Back
Sunday : Legs

No cardio at all but Karate on tuesday and saturday (for a total of about 3h - 3h30)

I will do a summarized post each morning with :
- Workout results and details
- Weight and waist
- Diet
- How I feel

and will post an after pics at the end of the 8th and 12th week (after cycle and PCT). A today pic will be available soon :cool:

Today :
Weight : 87kg / 191.4lbs
Waist : 86.5cm / 34.1'
Height : 187cm / 6'13 (will normaly not fluctuate :) )
BF (YMCA method - just to have a way to follow BF evolution) : 13.5% (more in reality actually - you will estimate according to my before pic :p)

For information, I already used PP products last year. It was a 4 weeks cycle with AMv2/AHv2 - I can compare the two cycles.

Let's go !!! :cool:

(This is a copy of my Primordial Performance Log - And, to be more precise, I'm not sponsored by PP :nonono2:)
 
What is your ultimate goal that you are trying to get out of this cycle?

Extreme fat-loss?

Body remodeling (lose some fat, gain some muscle)

lean mass accrual -- minimize fat accrual?

-Matt
 
MattPorter said:
What is your ultimate goal that you are trying to get out of this cycle?

Extreme fat-loss?

Body remodeling (lose some fat, gain some muscle)

lean mass accrual -- minimize fat accrual?

-Matt
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Body remodeling (lose some fat, gain some muscle). Without hesitation
 
olivierf57 said:
Body remodeling (lose some fat, gain some muscle). Without hesitation
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I have personally witness 2 guys remodel their physiques in 12 weeks on AndroLean.

Yes I dictated their nutrition -- but AndroLean was their only hormonal supplement.

I believe I posted 1 guys before / afters on here --- and I will release the other guys after this week

-matt
 
Matt, do you think, or do you propose to add 4 other weeks to my cycle with AL ?

It would be like that :
Week 1-8 : 6/ALv3 3/AHv3 3/AD 3pumps/AE
Week 9-12 : 6/ALv3 3pumps/AE
Week 13-16 : PCT with TRS v2

Do you think AHv3 should be added for the nextr 4 weeks too ? then this should give :
Week 1-8 : 6/ALv3 3/AHv3 3/AD 3pumps/AE
Week 9-12 : 6/ALv3 3/AHv3 3pumps/AE
Week 13-16 : PCT with TRS v2

TRSv2 from PP is enough for a 12 weeks cycle ?

Interesting for me ? what do you think of my diet proposal ? do you coach by internet (for nutrition advices)

Thanks for all
 
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After advices, I decided to extend my cycle from 8 up to 12 weeks.

Here is what I will do :
- Week 1-12 : 6/AndroLean.v3 3/AndroHard.v3 3pumps/AndroEnhance
- Week 1-8 : 3/AndroDrive
- Week 13-16 : PCT with TRSv2 from Primordial Performance
 
After advices, I decided to extend my cycle from 8 up to 12 weeks.

Here is what I will do :
- Week 1-12 : 6/AndroLean.v3 3/AndroHard.v3 3pumps/AndroEnhance
- Week 1-12 : 2/AndroDrive
- Week 13-16 : PCT with TRSv2 from Primordial Performance
 
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I try to re-evaluate my macros and what I find is worries me a bit

My diet is based on Carb Back-loading from Kiefer who is recommanding to eat 50/50 on prot/fat on days without resistance training (to summarize).
If there's a workout, he recommands to eat 50/50 till the workout. Carbs and prots only after workout (fat in the end of the day/night)

If I use these macros and increase my actual amount of protein, the amount of fat will automatically perilously increase

My weight is about 190lbs.
My new macros give 250-300g of prot/day. So these will bring 250-300g of fat. Even if I believe on Kiefer's plan, I don't know if it's usable when PHs or gears are used ? Without them, no problems, it works very well 'cause I tried it successfully but without ???

Any help of someone using CBL with chemicals helps ???

Thank you
 
olivierf57 said:
I try to re-evaluate my macros and what I find is worries me a bit

My diet is based on Carb Back-loading from Kiefer who is recommanding to eat 50/50 on prot/fat on days without resistance training (to summarize).
If there's a workout, he recommands to eat 50/50 till the workout. Carbs and prots only after workout (fat in the end of the day/night)

If I use these macros and increase my actual amount of protein, the amount of fat will automatically perilously increase

My weight is about 190lbs.
My new macros give 250-300g of prot/day. So these will bring 250-300g of fat. Even if I believe on Kiefer's plan, I don't know if it's usable when PHs or gears are used ? Without them, no problems, it works very well 'cause I tried it successfully but without ???

Any help of someone using CBL with chemicals helps ???

Thank you
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That sounds complicated and 300 grams of fat is way too high...maybe Matt can get in here and help out but I would look into changing that ratio
 
olivierf57 said:
After advices, I decided to extend my cycle from 8 up to 12 weeks.

Here is what I will do :
- Week 1-12 : 6/AndroLean.v3 3/AndroHard.v3 3pumps/AndroEnhance
- Week 1-12 : 2/AndroDrive
- Week 13-16 : PCT with TRSv2 from Primordial Performance
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When are you starting? Certainly interested to follow along bud
 
ryansm said:
That sounds complicated and 300 grams of fat is way too high...maybe Matt can get in here and help out but I would look into changing that ratio
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For your information, I'm actually cutting this month with keto diet with more or less 190g of prot and fat. And I loose about 2lbs/week. That's why I say that I'm confident with this diet
 
olivierf57 said:
I try to re-evaluate my macros and what I find is worries me a bit

My diet is based on Carb Back-loading from Kiefer who is recommanding to eat 50/50 on prot/fat on days without resistance training (to summarize).
If there's a workout, he recommands to eat 50/50 till the workout. Carbs and prots only after workout (fat in the end of the day/night)

If I use these macros and increase my actual amount of protein, the amount of fat will automatically perilously increase

My weight is about 190lbs.
My new macros give 250-300g of prot/day. So these will bring 250-300g of fat. Even if I believe on Kiefer's plan, I don't know if it's usable when PHs or gears are used ? Without them, no problems, it works very well 'cause I tried it successfully but without ???

Any help of someone using CBL with chemicals helps ???

Thank you
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The CBL principles seem pretty logical, and makes sense, but the set-ups (protocols) I have seen appear all over the board with recommendations

I think your fat gram allotment is too high ----I think fat in the 125-150g range is PLENTY.

As for using this dieting technique with hormones --- hormones will make ALL dieting techniques more effective -- never less.

-Matt
 
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