My first cycle (8years working out) 25years old

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deko

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Hello,

I'm 25yrs old
5'9'==175cm
172lbs=78kg

Bodyfat%=12-15% (i think...look at picture)


I'm lifting about 8years now.., 4-6x times/week.
Last 3years, i did not gain any muscle...Meybe 1-2pounds...

I'm asking you guys, what's your recomendation for 1st cycle.??
I'm thinking about test prop(testovis).

My goals are 165lbs about 7-8body fat.

My picture... =)

thanks for helping guys!
 
Thanks for advice...I've read them all + many forum threads..
I think is the best to run only test for 1st cycle,.. but i don't like poofy look and water retaining...
I want dry look and hardness, thats probaby from winstrol/tren/var/masteron... OR?

If i go only test prop with mini caloric deficit, will i loose bodyfat???+ gain some mass
I'm aiming for nice athletic physique, not BB.. for example (i hope i can post youtube link)

https://youtube.com/watch?v=I2Nvmr7yx54
 
With prop you pinning eod or ed you shoukd stick with test e Fir your first run. If you manage your e2 you won't get the poofy look.

Losing the body fat is done with proper diet and ttaining not AAS
 
yeah , i know... its not a problem for me...
i know AAS wont change my body without propper diet/workout..but I think if i eat/train the same as i did, and run test prop / test E ..ill get some better results than without it :)) u know what i mean

what's ur opinon?? did i reach my max naturrally?? or can i gain ever more as a natural ??
 
I think you have room to grow natty at 172. Do you know what your TDEE is? You need to eat above this to put on any weight.
 
Your definitely ready good base too why waste another 2 years to gain 1lb of muscle? Get some test and ai nobody is gonna agree with running anything besides test when you feel you are ready test/mast/var and eventually low dose tren are gonna be your friends with getting the look you described. It will be easy for you. Good to see you went natty for a good amount of time your very low bf so the hormones now will take you to the next level
 
hiram1st ..yeah, but when i'm in surplus, i usually put on some fat and very very little muscle:)) thats my problem...

49ER... I agree with you ... but with test only can i get shredded more than i am?? or I need some win/var/tren/mast??
i'm probably around 13-15%..depends how much water i hold... I want to be like 8-10% to see abs clearly and some veins :D...
 
deko said:
hiram1st ..yeah, but when i'm in surplus, i usually put on some fat and very very little muscle:)) thats my problem...

49ER... I agree with you ... but with test only can i get shredded more than i am?? or I need some win/var/tren/mast??
i'm probably around 13-15%..depends how much water i hold... I want to be like 8-10% to see abs clearly and some veins :D...
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Short answer you can but probably have to starve quiet a bit and its not gonna get you dry like im sure u want....im impressed your alot leaner than most guys when they start aas. Your pretty lean your body is gonna fight to not lose fat i mean thats what guys use cutting drugs for to aid there strict diet to get below normal bf levels. If you want to keep a very lean physique athletic look guys usually stay on low test and dry compounds just my opinion
 
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in this pic i have good lighting, i don't see abs in "normal" pic :P but my arms/legs are lean yeah..
I'm not afraid of needles, i'm a bit afraid of high blood pressure while on test or some side effect (gyno,liver enyzme)?
Should i be ??:)) But anyhow , i see 13-15years old guys on drugs and they are still fine :P
 
deko said:
Thanks for advice...I've read them all + many forum threads..
I think is the best to run only test for 1st cycle,.. but i don't like poofy look and water retaining...
I want dry look and hardness, thats probaby from winstrol/tren/var/masteron... OR?

If i go only test prop with mini caloric deficit, will i loose bodyfat???+ gain some mass
I'm aiming for nice athletic physique, not BB.. for example (i hope i can post youtube link)

https://youtube.com/watch?v=I2Nvmr7yx54
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As far as water retention and getting "puffy",, That's all about estrogen control ,, people see winstrol as a non puffy compound,, why . Cause it doesn't convert to estrogen.. People see Dbol as a "puffy" compound. Why.. Cause it converts to estrogen a ton. BUT with the use of AIs and controlling your estrogen you can stay dry and non puffy on any compound now a days.

Give this a read
http://www.steroidology.com/forum/a...tional-bulk-cycle-its-all-about-estrogen.html


I don't recommend test prop for a first cycle unless your just gonna use it as a front load - pinning eod for 10+ weeks in virgin muscle is gonna be a bitch

I'd do something basic like this for your goals

Test prop 150 mg eod - weeks 1-4
Test E 500 mg a week - weeks 1-13
Var - 70 mg a day - weeks 8-13
AI
hCg

Pct 20 days after your last pin,, run AI and hcg up to pct
 
OP you need to know the steroid profiles more than you do. Like a steroid being a 19-nor and why it doesn't produce water retention. the balance of estrogen with an AI. The need and must for BW to monitor the estrogen. these are the keys to lean and bulk. It is lean muscle mass you are after and to gain size and keep your BF% down to 8-10% will be very, very slow in appearance. There is much more to understand with using aas before you jump in and decide you want to stray from the proper protocol.

Not to bash you but please learn more, read more before you jump in. You're not educated quite enough. Good luck

PS: Roush has given you a bit of great advise. Listen
 
By the way when i said "dry" i don't mean estro i mean nasty dry whereyou can see all the little details test doesn't do that
 
49ER said:
By the way when i said "dry" i don't mean estro i mean nasty dry whereyou can see all the little details test doesn't do that
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A small amount of test as your base,, Then just add some tren, Masteron at high dosage,, and might as well throw 700 mg of EQ in there so you can not just be dry and grainy, but veins popping everywhere :)
 
Roush said:
A small amount of test as your base,, Then just add some tren, Masteron at high dosage,, and might as well throw 700 mg of EQ in there so you can not just be dry and grainy, but veins popping everywhere :)
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fuck it why stop there Winny/T3/SD
 
49ER said:
fuck it why stop there Winny/T3/SD
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I'm all about the synergestic multi compound stack ! My current cycle consists of 9 AAS compounds, plus sarms .. 22 weeks of blasting into beast mode.. Then when I'm done I'll just cruise on tren ace for awhile :)
 
Roush said:
I'm all about the synergestic multi compound stack ! My current cycle consists of 9 AAS compounds, plus sarms .. 22 weeks of blasting into beast mode.. Then when I'm done I'll just cruise on tren ace for awhile :)
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Lmao thats my cruise tren only haha
 
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