My first cycle (8years working out) 25years old

I know you're being sarcastic by the way but I'll take it as a compliment anyway!

It's best to learn from guys that are honest with themselves. That you are,, It's not always about all the technicalities .. The fact that you went through hard times, had no money for good food and diet and training properly and you , with first hand experience, decided to just cruise on tren during that time to help get you by and preserve muscle and help build to get by ,, Not the most technical thing, But REAL
 
You don't have to be on test to be ripped but it sure helps. I stay the same skinniness in my avatar year round and was so before AAS. Just find the right diet then use AAS to gain the more muscles.
 
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because i can't reply here..=/
 
I'm lifting about 8years now.., 4-6x times/week.
Last 3years, i did not gain any muscle...Meybe 1-2pounds...
I agree with your decision to 1st cycle with test alone.

Not sure why, although you lift 4-6X/week, you're not gaining. If your training right, and eating right, even without the test you should see muscular development.

If you're not already, in addition to the test, maybe work with a BB coach on upping the variety and intensity of your workouts to optimally increase muscularity.

Also, please post photos of your progress: I want to see your doughboy to muscle jock transformation.
 
you wanted transformations pics?:D

here you go ~~~

1st - 2006--100lbs
2st - 2011--170lbs
3st- 2015(yesterday)- 172lbs

In last 3-4years, i'm gaining very little muscle..probably 1-2lbs/year.. and thats NORMAL for natural guy... when i started i gained like 20-30lbs/year.. + i lost my body fat.
If you check pages where you see maximum muscle potentenical...i think i'm pretty close to that..(meybi 3-4lbs of muscle ...) but thats it...

But like 49ER said,..why lose another 3-4years for that???
Its not my goal to be big and compete... I just want to drop from 13% to 8% :), but when you do thats as NATURAL , you will lose some muscle, and ill look like shit probably :))

anyhow.. have fun guys !
 
you wanted transformations pics?:D

here you go ~~~

1st - 2006--100lbs
2st - 2011--170lbs
3st- 2015(yesterday)- 172lbs

In last 3-4years, i'm gaining very little muscle..probably 1-2lbs/year.. and thats NORMAL for natural guy... when i started i gained like 20-30lbs/year.. + i lost my body fat.
If you check pages where you see maximum muscle potentenical...i think i'm pretty close to that..(meybi 3-4lbs of muscle ...) but thats it...

But like 49ER said,..why lose another 3-4years for that???
Its not my goal to be big and compete... I just want to drop from 13% to 8% :), but when you do thats as NATURAL , you will lose some muscle, and ill look like shit probably :))

anyhow.. have fun guys !

Very true,, if you try to drop 8% bf now naturally you will loose a bit of the mass you put on . Your definitely at a point where you could begin AAS . Have you got a cycle planned out yet?
Personally I would plan out two cycles.. One to put on a good 20 more pounds , yet not raising current body fat, so a clean bulk.. Then the next one being that cut you want to get down to low body fat.

My fist cycle a few years back I added quite a bit of mass.. Not hard to do with AAS and proper diet and training

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