my first planned Helladrol cycle! input please!

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subcom40cal

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Hello all. This thread is intended to get feedback from experienced members about my cycle and pcp. I have been researching for like two weeks. this is what.my cycle will look like. I will ask questions after I list the cycle! Thanks
CYCLE 1-6
Helladrol: 75/75/100/100/100/125
N2guard: 6caps/day
Forma Stanzol: 8.5pumps/day (4morning,4.5before bed)
Joint health
Multi vitamin


POST CYCLE 1-4weeks
Forma Stanzol:*10pumps/day
N2 guard: 6caps/day
Joint health
HCGenerate es or original: 5caps/day
DAA: as prescribed
Clomid or tamox?
Clomid 100/75/50/25
Tamox: 50/50/20/20

On cycle ?'s
Q1: for on cycle IM choice Was n2guard because it has so much in it. It is a 65$ bottle but is basically 3 supps in one and also has liver support! Is this sufficient?

Q2: I have read that forma is a fabulous Product. The benefit that I am interested in the most is the fact that it works as an "AI" on top of every thing else! How will this help me on cycle!

PCT ?'S

Q1: with using N2guard & hcgenerate would getting a pct such as just for example "pct revolution black" be necessary Or will N2&HC work fine?

Q2: finally will I need clomid or tamox? Because forma acts or is an "AI". I thought it might be a good idea to have a serm on hand? And if yes should I dose it anyways or only if u need to? And if I need to what one should I have clomid or tamox? Also what dose?

THANK YOU. PLEASE ANSWER QUESTIONS IN ORDER AND ANY OTHER ADVISE WILL BE appreciated
 
subcom40cal said:
Hello all. This thread is intended to get feedback from experienced members about my cycle and pcp. I have been researching for like two weeks. this is what.my cycle will look like. I will ask questions after I list the cycle! Thanks
CYCLE 1-6
Helladrol: 75/75/100/100/100/125 Run this @100mg for 6 weeks
N2guard: 6caps/day
Forma Stanzol: 8.5pumps/day (4morning,4.5before bed) 3 pumps morning/night will suffice, you can always bump up if you feel the need
Joint health
Multi vitamin N2guard already takes care of this, drop this til after you run out of N2guard


POST CYCLE 1-4weeks
Forma Stanzol:*10pumps/day
N2 guard: 6caps/day
Joint health
HCGenerate es or original: 5caps/day
DAA: as prescribed
Clomid or tamox?
Clomid 100/75/50/25
Tamox: 50/50/20/20

Overkill on PCT, run Clomid @25mg, with DAA, add in hcgenerate if you really want to but its not needed. Clomid and DAA will be more than enough

On cycle ?'s
Q1: for on cycle IM choice Was n2guard because it has so much in it. It is a 65$ bottle but is basically 3 supps in one and also has liver support! Is this sufficient? YES

Q2: I have read that forma is a fabulous Product. The benefit that I am interested in the most is the fact that it works as an "AI" on top of every thing else! How will this help me on cycle!

PCT ?'S

Q1: with using N2guard & hcgenerate would getting a pct such as just for example "pct revolution black" be necessary Or will N2&HC work fine?

Q2: finally will I need clomid or tamox? Because forma acts or is an "AI". I thought it might be a good idea to have a serm on hand? And if yes should I dose it anyways or only if u need to? And if I need to what one should I have clomid or tamox? Also what dose?

THANK YOU. PLEASE ANSWER QUESTIONS IN ORDER AND ANY OTHER ADVISE WILL BE appreciated
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I added comments in Bold, for PCT run Clomid @ 25mg/ 4 weeks, DAA, and continue forma...thats all you need. the rest is just throwing money away, you can use it but you dont need it. Hcgenerate works, but its expensive and this isnt a heavy cycle. Clomid is perfect
 
Thanks for the input barnzy! I have a couple more ?'s

(?1) why do you suggest running hella at 100 (1-6w)?
(?2) Even if forma is an "AI" you think I still need clomid?

(?3) In your opinion Why clomid and not tamox?
From what I have read most people run clomid a like 100-150 for like the first day then taper down. Would you please explain your experience with this and the reason why you suggest to running at 25?

after reading on these forums such as this and anabolic mindsI figured I was ready to join and ask some of my own questions after I had a good foundation of knowledge. (?4) The one question that I do have Is how safe are serms? For some reason I am much more sketched out about putting that into my body instead of the drol? please answer this question anyway you see fit!

thank you I'm also looking for other experience members to Chime in.
 
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A little background on myself! I am 27yrs 5'6! I weigh in right now at 181 at about 16%bf. I have been training/bodybuilding and studying it for about 5 solid Yrs. Last year I believe I was in the best shape and physique I've accomplished on my 5yr journey! At 173lbs and about 12%bf. I was pretty happy with how much I weighed and how lean I was for my height. I also have been injury free for about 3yrs. The weights keep coming up. not in a dramatic fashion but steadily and Surely Which tells me I am gaining knowledge, technique and form. ***MY GOAL for this summer with running this cycle is to Weigh a solid 180 to 185 of lean muscle mass. I would be happy and 12 percent body fat but would really like to shoot for 10. I feel at 5'6 lean 180 to 185 pounds would look pretty stacked. my diet is pretty good and it gets better as the warm weather comes on. During the offseason I usually don't watch so much of what I eat because of the holidays not only that but it's good to have a break but I still lift hard. Although putting some body fat on in the process but I usually have that stripped off by May!

(?)...With all that said, Do you men think that that goal is is achievable? Please any advice would be appreciated. Please only from experience to members who have a history bodybuilding and running cycles such as these. Thank you very much
 
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No idea if you can hit the numbers you are shooting for, but Hella is great for recomp cycles from my experience.
You're at 152 LBM right now. Your 185 @ 10 goal would be 167 LBM. 15 lbs in LBM for a cycle seems like a tad much to me, but I wouldn't be surprised if you could do 10.
And getting leaner on Hella seems to work extremely well.
 
There is nothing wrong with running Clomid high. Before trt i ran it 100/100/75/50 at most you could raise your Nat test to high levels and I'm sure that's not disappointing. To be completely honest it wouldn't hurt to run 50mg of dhea day and would probably give you a 3rd better results. If you did do that you will need to run the Clomid high to restart.
 
Trt stands for testosterone replacement therapy. Dhea is a over the counter very cheap hormone related to test. A small amount converts to testosterone. Walmart carries it. Don't go over 50mg or you will need to run more then forma during the cycle. If you are running Clomid pct and you decide to run dhea during the cycle then I would buy pes erase and run in place of the daa. It lowers cortisol raises test and lowers estro.
 
That's exactly how i would do it buddy. I always had double the effect stacking dhea. Plus it will make you feel more "normal" on cycle. Your body is made to operate with test not helladrol so why only give it helladrol to try and operate on? It is always healthy and you will always have double the gains with a some form of test base buddy.
 
So everything as is, like I have laid out besides HCgenerate and multi vitamin but add the dhea! Is there a specific time this should be taken? Then start clomid at 100/100/75/50! So clomid at 100 every day the first week and so on correct? will one bottle of clomid from RUI be enough? Also is running the helladrol at 100 all 6 weeks a good strategy like barnzy7 suggested?
 
Dhea is good for right at 24 hrs so you could do once per day but I would 25 in the am on empty stomach. Then 25 an hour pre workout. If you are under 200lbs then I think 75 the first week then higher from there on. You may have no problem with 100 but some people have horrible joint pain jumping that high the first week. But running it as high as you can minus sides is good advice and I agree with him. Listen to your joints and blood pressure and you will be fine.
 
barnzy7 said:
I added comments in Bold, for PCT run Clomid @ 25mg/ 4 weeks, DAA, and continue forma...thats all you need. the rest is just throwing money away, you can use it but you dont need it. Hcgenerate works, but its expensive and this isnt a heavy cycle. Clomid is perfect
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I agree here
 
subcom40cal said:
Thanks for the input barnzy! I have a couple more ?'s

(?1) why do you suggest running hella at 100 (1-6w)?
(?2) Even if forma is an "AI" you think I still need clomid?

(?3) In your opinion Why clomid and not tamox?
From what I have read most people run clomid a like 100-150 for like the first day then taper down. Would you please explain your experience with this and the reason why you suggest to running at 25?

after reading on these forums such as this and anabolic mindsI figured I was ready to join and ask some of my own questions after I had a good foundation of knowledge. (?4) The one question that I do have Is how safe are serms? For some reason I am much more sketched out about putting that into my body instead of the drol? please answer this question anyway you see fit!

thank you I'm also looking for other experience members to Chime in.
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Ive never used nolva and know that Ive had great results with clomid, thats the only reason I recomended that, was off personal experience. Forma is great but its not Clomid. Itll help you recover during PCT.

All my research said 100mg was the sweet spot, thats how I ran my cycle and ended up gaining 20+lbs, all of which I have kept 3 months later with little strength loss. Would I have seen those results with less? maybe...but Ill most def. run 100mg again.

I wouldnt think twice about using a serm, everything has its pros and cons, low doses are how you stay away from sides generally. There a lot of old school guys that like the high dose clomid tapering down. I just think it is unecessary and have been completely fine running 25-50mg. A lot of research backs that up as well as bloods from many people
 
The only thing id add is that dhea is NOT a test base...products that are "shown to raise" testosterone are not test base. Despite what anyone says, the only real test base is actual test. The rest is just hormone boosters are can POTENTIALLY raise levels.
 
Perfect! Thanks I believe that answers most or all my ?'s. I really appreciate the feed back especially from you barnzy7. Do u have any before and after cycle pics of you that I could see?
 
subcom40cal said:
Perfect! Thanks I believe that answers most or all my ?'s. I really appreciate the feed back especially from you barnzy7. Do u have any before and after cycle pics of you that I could see?
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I do, the befores are in the beginning of my log the afters are on one of the last pages, hold on ill post up a link
 
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