My friends are cycling unsafely help.

[riverking47]

I have friends one is 21 ( he's been on for 8 months test at first now adding tren) and the other one is on test only. I'm not sure of the dosing. Anyway when I talk to them about pct drugs, hcg, gyno drugs, gear dosing, etc., they look at me as if I'm stupid. I'm guessing it's because I haven't cycled yet and they guy they get it from tells them they will be okay. I try to explain they can't just do gear and then come of it. They think they can do over the counter pct. Anyway I want to help these guys. Any advice?

 

[Metalhead]

Just tell them to research. Not much more you can do. My buddy wants to start up again, but he wants to do adrol only. I explained over and over and over the importance of test, ai etc etc. If he listens great. If not, I tried. You can only do so much brother

 

[KingBF]

you cant make them listen. its not your life so let it be. you stated your concern now its up to them if they want to be naive.

 

[kataklysum]

you've done your best. if they dont want to listen then thats their problem. its a shame cuz in a few years time they will come back to you and wish they listen to you. some people like to find out the hard way no matter how much you try to help them.

 

[Mad- scientist]

If I were you I would just print out some facts that back up that they are unsafely using steroids and maybe they will listen to that.

 

[Sergej]

When I told my friend he needs to run an AI during cycle and pct afterwards he looked at me like I am a total idiot. I tried to elaborate but some people just dont listen...

 

[SamSport]

When I told my friend he needs to run an AI during cycle and pct afterwards he looked at me like I am a total idiot. I tried to elaborate but some people just dont listen...

A real friend will listen. If he doesn't then let him cycle year round. And yeah like the mad-scientist said, print some stuff on AAS then give it to them. If they still don't listen then there's nothing you can do other than watch and enjoy.

 

[Manski]

Introduce them to the site. If they still don't want to cycle correctly after that maybe its a good thing because they will be shut down and won't be able to reproduce anymore dumb shits like themselves ! Lol

 

[louman]

If they don't wanna come off at least try to convince them
To blast and cruise the right way instead of just a random never ending cycle?

 

[Southernfish]

You can only give so much advice, people are going to do whatever they want to do, regardless if it makes sense or not, some people have to learn the hard way. Id educate them as best you can, and give then reasoning for what your telling them, maybe theyll be able to make an educated decision then

 

[riprockwell]

Let them learn the hard way. You said your piece and they don't want to listen. When their dick doesn't work or they have fucked up their endocrine system, then they will be online researching most this stuff. Don't get too involved man. I'm a big fan of natural selection.

 

[Conrad0032]

I know the best way to learn ANYTHING is to do something yourself and end up with your face in the mud. For example, my parents always told me stealing was bad, I never took it to heart because what do they know, you know haha (not really)? I won't get caught. I didn't for a long time... but then lo and behold I found myself amongst 3 cops eagerly waiting to fuck me ha. Since then, never bothered stealing again, not worth it.

Same for steroids. You think you're fine and dandy for a while until something tragic happens, hopefully nothing life threatening. It's hard to listen to someone blabber on about something they have no experience about and people tend to think they are always right and everything is fine. So just talk to them, tell them they are being dipshits for what they are doing. Explain to them they need to educate themselves. After that, what more can you do... you're not going to hold their hand, buy their PCT for them and dose it for them also haha. Best of luck to you and your friends.

 

[ChaseTheYoke]

Just tell them to research. Not much more you can do. My buddy wants to start up again, but he wants to do adrol only. I explained over and over and over the importance of test, ai etc etc. If he listens great. If not, I tried. You can only do so much brother

I see this over in over... "always have a test base" in the sticky and in a lot of the thread lately. I don't doubt it but I just would like some elaboration.

You take test, doesn't your natty test drop anyways? So the whole point of running the test is to make your cycle better? If I recall correctly the sticky states that with an oral only you would be breaking even when your natural test drops. If that's true how do all these kids get this crazy gains on 4-6 week PH cycles? Again, I don't doubt the facts stated.... just looking for a little elaboration.

 

[tbonexl]

It's like jumper cables. U get all kinds of good power when theyre hooked up as soon as u take them off, the battery goes dead..

 

[riverking47]

Thanks everyone. I guess I'm just a nice guy and don't want to see people hurt. Probably because I'm a nurse and deal with the sick on the regular. I would have been like them had I not gotten on this site and realized how naive I was. I'm getting ready to go for my first cycle and by doing as advised on by some of the vets here I'm hoping to have a good one. Thanks for all the replies.

 

[noway55]

Are they cruising? If they are, they'll be fine.

Are they coming off cold turkey at some point? If yes, they could benefit from PCT.

 

[Norsegod]

Natural selection is such a beautiful thing I just wish it would hurry along in the right way. Kind of difficult when guys like this have six kids while intelligent couples have one. Based on that norsegod provided average(yup,I did it) then I can make a self educated assumption that the idiot will raise idiots regardless of the children's iq's(though, not always, but most often) while the intelligent couple will likely raise the intelligent being, but only of the child had an iq representative of an impressive potential, although if stuck with a child with a weaker potential, the intelligent beings will likely end up with another idiot. Overall the idiots raise mostly idiots while the intellectuals would also have about a 50/50 shot at raising another idiot...so, all in all, we end up with a 7 to 1 ratio of stupidity, by the God of Norse' numbers. A bit of a tangent and barely relevant. Lol. Just show them this exact thread, then explain why we reacted this way.

 

[XELFLEC]

I seem to be the only guy that I know who does any type of research between the guys I've lifted with.
My method is simple. Link them stickies after sticky.when they say I'm running this blah blah link them something that tells them they're doing it wrong. I've managed to convince 3 of them to run the required items and do alittle research.

One of them is coming around especially after he just got bloods done 3months after a 20+ week cycle of tren then npp with orals and everything was whacked out. Maybe next time he will use an AI and some liver support like I linked him constantly.

My point is I don't give up but I don't flat out say hey man your doing it wrong in my own words. I use This forum as my voice and it usually gets the point across.

Good luck I know it can be frustrating, but these guys I helped actually respect me more than they should considering I'm only 2 years into the lifting game(1year in gear game) and they all have a decade plus on me.
It's worth the effort.