My next cycle plans - test, NPP, deca, primo

[Roush]

Planning out my next cycle - thoughts and suggestions appreciated

First off, stats and goals.
Age 37
Height 5'10"
185 lbs (normal weight.. A bit lighter then that right now do to coming off an illness that kept me from eating hardly any food for a couple months,, wasn't fun)
Training: 22 years, training mainly for sports (not physique)
Frame: ectomorph
Bf% 12

Goal:
Note: I prefer the thinner mens fitness/physique look
Phase 1 - clean bulk, add 10-15 lbs to my normal weight
Phase 2 - harden up and drop bf to 8-9%

Note: I've run higher mg doses then what I list here before,, but now my philosophy is to run as little is as needed to achieve the desired results (if 400 mg gets me there, then I don't need 600 mg.. I also make up for lower doses by running longer cycles)

Cycle:
Weeks 1-16 - test cyp 400 mg
Weeks 1-5 - NPP 400 mg a week (injected 100 mg 4x a week)
Weeks 1-14 - deca 400 mg
Weeks 1-12++ - Proviron 50mg a day (not quite sure on duration yet)
Weeks 10-22 - primobolan 400 mg
Weeks 16-24 - test cyp 300 mg
Weeks 14-24 - Albeutorol

AI - Adex .5 mg e3d. (Dependent on blood work... With the proviron in the cycle keeping the test from converting to Estro in the first place I may not need much AI)
Hcg - 500 iu weekly
Pct - back on TRT

Diet- back on the clean bulk diet 3j set up for me

Training- German volume training, light weight isolation, once a week lifting heavy with one particular compound exercise (keep my nervous system trained for strength)
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Cardio: none - I'll tweak my diet when I go to lower bf


Some pics- looking to add 15 lbs to this then drop bf % to single digits. Cold, non flex
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I do train legs
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Made good gains on my first cycle (was just 250mg test every 5 days),, stopped training for sports (cycling) and stopped doing cardio
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Any tweaks or suggestions let me know

 

[PrinceDianabol]

Adding in T3 (even at a replacement dose ~25mcg daily) would greatly benefit your cutting phase. I'd even go up to 50mcg daily, alongside your albut & test you should shred like crazy without losing much LBM.

Also if your looking at basically doing a recomp cycle, give Lyle Mcdonald's Ultimate Diet 2.0 a read. Fucking amazing book. It is a rather miserable experience but does bring about some crazy results, gaining LBM and losing bf simultaneously. If you can handle it, might be worth chucking a week or two of it the there somewhere.

 

[Roush]

Cool deal , thanks prince dbol .. Yeah I'll definitely check out that book (I'll read whatever I can get my hands on)

Question- why t3 instead of t4 (is it because the thyroid already produces a ton more t4 then t3?)
I've never messed with thyroid meds,, so I have no real experience. But being I'm getting older I think it's time to start implementing fat burners (in the past I'd just hit the treadmill 4 days a week and carve out a six pack no prob)

As for gaining lbm and loosing bf simultaneously - that's def my goal of phase two of the cycle.. I wanna stay anabolic during cutting phase, continue to build muscle (or harden the muscle) even if I have to go on a slight calorie deficit for a portion of the cut (with diet being totally dialed in at this point, hoping the primo will give me that slight anabolic edge to still build without bulking)

 

[China_Wall]

To go up 15lbs in body weight, then expect to drop your bf% to around 8% is possible... but over a year is more of an attainable timeframe.

Getting to 8% is one thing, but staying there for an extended period of time is not comfortable... I'd say set an attainable goal of being slightly heavier than you are now (say 190), but at a lower bf% (around 10%), and that can definitely be done in 6 mths

 

[Repo]

Cool deal , thanks prince dbol .. Yeah I'll definitely check out that book (I'll read whatever I can get my hands on)

Question- why t3 instead of t4 (is it because the thyroid already produces a ton more t4 then t3?)
I've never messed with thyroid meds,, so I have no real experience. But being I'm getting older I think it's time to start implementing fat burners (in the past I'd just hit the treadmill 4 days a week and carve out a six pack no prob)

As for gaining lbm and loosing bf simultaneously - that's def my goal of phase two of the cycle.. I wanna stay anabolic during cutting phase, continue to build muscle (or harden the muscle) even if I have to go on a slight calorie deficit for a portion of the cut (with diet being totally dialed in at this point, hoping the primo will give me that slight anabolic edge to still build without bulking)

There are several reason for T3 over T4... but T3 is the most active hormone in the body and is considered to more potent than T4.

It's best to taper the dose at the end of the cycle down to 25mcg every 4-7 days.

I'll be starting my next cycle with 25mcg every day and increase it to 50mcg ED after the first week... you don't
want to go over 75-80mcg as you can go into a catabolic state.

 

[Roush]

To go up 15lbs in body weight, then expect to drop your bf% to around 8% is possible... but over a year is more of an attainable timeframe.

Getting to 8% is one thing, but staying there for an extended period of time is not comfortable... I'd say set an attainable goal of being slightly heavier than you are now (say 190), but at a lower bf% (around 10%), and that can definitely be done in 6 mths

Thanks china,, being an ectomorph, and having always been a thin athlete (cyclist - always weighed about 145-150), having quit all cardio and taking on lifting I was always concerned with putting on the weight,, I put on 40 lbs. body fat went up to my current 12%... So I've never really worried about cutting and don't have much experience.. So if I'm at 12 now,, you think it will take that long to Lower my bf by 3% ?

I do know adding quite a bit of mass then dropping bf is going to take quite a bit of time, but that's also why my cycle is close to 6 months long

 

[Roush]

I do have some HGH sitting around here, I could throw that in the mix as well.. Will it even matter?
I've got prob 3 months worth, could get more and make it 6months minimum.

I'm not really on the hgh hyped bandwagon (way better cost to benefits ratio with AAS then hgh) but it's an option IF it would really help

 

[PrinceDianabol]

Cool deal , thanks prince dbol .. Yeah I'll definitely check out that book (I'll read whatever I can get my hands on)

Question- why t3 instead of t4 (is it because the thyroid already produces a ton more t4 then t3?)
I've never messed with thyroid meds,, so I have no real experience. But being I'm getting older I think it's time to start implementing fat burners (in the past I'd just hit the treadmill 4 days a week and carve out a six pack no prob)

As for gaining lbm and loosing bf simultaneously - that's def my goal of phase two of the cycle.. I wanna stay anabolic during cutting phase, continue to build muscle (or harden the muscle) even if I have to go on a slight calorie deficit for a portion of the cut (with diet being totally dialed in at this point, hoping the primo will give me that slight anabolic edge to still build without bulking)

What Repo said There are also some conditions that can inhibit the conversion of T4 to T3 in the liver (deiodinase downregulation) and also the uptake of T4. T4 you also have to dose about 4x greater than T3 to get the same levels, but you never really know because everyone's slightly different as to how much they convert.

IMO no need to taper on or off T3. Thyroid function typically returns to baseline very quickly (couple days - 2weeks tops) even after years of supplementation. Also considering how cheap it is, adding it @ 25mcg daily will help your bulking phase as well by increasing protein turnover. Wouldn't go higher than that on a bulk though.