my second cycle
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apetrills
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Stats?
my stats are 5'7'' 175 25years...well am trying to lean bulk
hard2gain
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What did your first cycle look like?
I would suggest taking test up a little higher than first with some Masteron. I absolutely love that compound it really compliments anything it's with. A good buddy of mine is about the same stats as you and is getting ready to start his second cycle of test/mast and I think he's gonna see some good results.
I wouldn't suggest an oral at this point but if you're gonna do one I say do tbol. Doesn't aromatize so you get some solid "hard" looking gains
I would suggest taking test up a little higher than first with some Masteron. I absolutely love that compound it really compliments anything it's with. A good buddy of mine is about the same stats as you and is getting ready to start his second cycle of test/mast and I think he's gonna see some good results.
I wouldn't suggest an oral at this point but if you're gonna do one I say do tbol. Doesn't aromatize so you get some solid "hard" looking gains
If you choose to do orals, Dbol is pretty awesome. It makes you feel great, lift like a freak, and look amazing.
(Personally, I did not get water retention from Dbol)
I think some of the side effects people blow out of proportion, like water retention for example.
Sides I experienced; back pumps, high BP, increased hunger
I would recommend dbol because in my experience it is the perfect oral. low side effects and huge gains AND it's very easy on the wallet!!
Anavar is expensive but known to be low on side effects, mild, and gives lean dry gains.
Anadrol is a massive bulker, will cause fast size gain, and bad side effects like balding, severe acne, lathargy, decreased appetite and other minor sides. That being said I still plan on using it sometime in my future!! (seems like a good plateau breaker)
tbol is pretty expensive, supposed to give gains about midway between gains of anavar and dbol. sides are similar to dbol, without the water retention
winstrol: you will probably go bald if you aren't already, from it. bad for the liver, but makes you look damn good. extremely dry lean gains, massive strength gains, and increased hunger in some people
keep in mind all orals are not good for the liver. Do not run for more than 8-10 weeks (most will say 4-6)
also remember genetics determine what sides you are prone to, not everyone gets the same sides from the same drugs.
(Personally, I did not get water retention from Dbol)
I think some of the side effects people blow out of proportion, like water retention for example.
Sides I experienced; back pumps, high BP, increased hunger
I would recommend dbol because in my experience it is the perfect oral. low side effects and huge gains AND it's very easy on the wallet!!
Anavar is expensive but known to be low on side effects, mild, and gives lean dry gains.
Anadrol is a massive bulker, will cause fast size gain, and bad side effects like balding, severe acne, lathargy, decreased appetite and other minor sides. That being said I still plan on using it sometime in my future!! (seems like a good plateau breaker)
tbol is pretty expensive, supposed to give gains about midway between gains of anavar and dbol. sides are similar to dbol, without the water retention
winstrol: you will probably go bald if you aren't already, from it. bad for the liver, but makes you look damn good. extremely dry lean gains, massive strength gains, and increased hunger in some people
keep in mind all orals are not good for the liver. Do not run for more than 8-10 weeks (most will say 4-6)
also remember genetics determine what sides you are prone to, not everyone gets the same sides from the same drugs.
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Also remember EQ is a slow gainer, so it is recommended to be ran for at least 12-14 weeks, preferably 16+
Eq sides are increased appetite, increased red blood cell production, anxiety, acne. Many people run EQ just for increased vascularity and hunger.
Doses of 400-1000mg are common but 600 seems to be the sweet spot for most people.
Consider NPP, It's what I will be using on my next cycle (2nd).
NPP is Nandrolone Phenyl-Proprionate. It is like deca but with a short ester that has a half life of about 3-4 days so It can be dosed 2 or 3 times a week.
NPP is a fast gainer, 19-Nor, with low water retention. It works as a bulker or cutter (as does pretty much any steroid) but seems like a really cool lean bulker. (use caber 2x a week for progestin sides) if u use npp.
Eq sides are increased appetite, increased red blood cell production, anxiety, acne. Many people run EQ just for increased vascularity and hunger.
Doses of 400-1000mg are common but 600 seems to be the sweet spot for most people.
Consider NPP, It's what I will be using on my next cycle (2nd).
NPP is Nandrolone Phenyl-Proprionate. It is like deca but with a short ester that has a half life of about 3-4 days so It can be dosed 2 or 3 times a week.
NPP is a fast gainer, 19-Nor, with low water retention. It works as a bulker or cutter (as does pretty much any steroid) but seems like a really cool lean bulker. (use caber 2x a week for progestin sides) if u use npp.
R1rider
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why not run test/decc or test/npp?
you can never go wrong with test and decca. run the test 2 weeks longer than the decca or npp.
npp is just a faster acting decca
so you could
test e @600mg weeks 1-16
decca @400 mg weeks 1-14( you can run npp for 10 weeks, if you do npp you can cut the test to 12 weeks)
have parmi or caber and an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) on hand
if you want to run an oral, go with dbol @40-50mg/day for the first 4 weeks to kickstart your cycle. personally the test/decca will be enough
lean bulk will depend on your diet number 1, cardio and training
hard2gain
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Josh223 had a good post but missed some important things that seem to come from lack of experience. No offense to you Josh I admire your effort but be careful giving advice on things you have no personal experience with...
I think Josh223 had a lucky run with dbol with only getting the sides that he got, which he has underestimated. High BP is something you really need to be careful with, it can come back later to bite you in the ass. Back pumps are common but can actually be a sign for future kidney issues. I have a buddy that loved running dbol and got his first kidney stone at 22 which is unheard of. He has had 3 more since. All I'm saying is take extreme precaution with dbol people underestimate the sides they are having.
EQ causes so much more vascularity because of how much is raises your red blood cell count which usually leads to high blood pressure. Having too much blood pumping extra hard through your body may look good in the gym, but not so much on the heart. And besides the vascularity all your gonna see is a little more hardness which takes 12 weeks of injecting to see. Not worth it imo.
Npp can be a wonderful compound if run right. But injecting it 2-3 times a week doesn't really cut it. You don't wunna get your blood levels real unstable with 19-nors because they're already hard enough on your sex organs. This compound needs to be injected eod or ed. 12 weeks of that and you will feel like a human pin cushion, which is something a lot of us just get use to. Also be prepared for prolactin sides, prami will help you if your lucky enough to not get sick from it. I have never felt anything like the sick that I got from prami.
The comment about tbol carrying dbol's sides minus the estrogen is incorrect. I have taken it several times and have never seen a negative side effect. No back pumps, hairloss, or high bp which I always get from dbol. It is however a little pricy...
Deca is great but will shut you down real hard. Many experience ed from deca cycles. Make sure you have an aggressive post cycle therapy (pct) and take your time off if you run deca.
I think Josh223 had a lucky run with dbol with only getting the sides that he got, which he has underestimated. High BP is something you really need to be careful with, it can come back later to bite you in the ass. Back pumps are common but can actually be a sign for future kidney issues. I have a buddy that loved running dbol and got his first kidney stone at 22 which is unheard of. He has had 3 more since. All I'm saying is take extreme precaution with dbol people underestimate the sides they are having.
EQ causes so much more vascularity because of how much is raises your red blood cell count which usually leads to high blood pressure. Having too much blood pumping extra hard through your body may look good in the gym, but not so much on the heart. And besides the vascularity all your gonna see is a little more hardness which takes 12 weeks of injecting to see. Not worth it imo.
Npp can be a wonderful compound if run right. But injecting it 2-3 times a week doesn't really cut it. You don't wunna get your blood levels real unstable with 19-nors because they're already hard enough on your sex organs. This compound needs to be injected eod or ed. 12 weeks of that and you will feel like a human pin cushion, which is something a lot of us just get use to. Also be prepared for prolactin sides, prami will help you if your lucky enough to not get sick from it. I have never felt anything like the sick that I got from prami.
The comment about tbol carrying dbol's sides minus the estrogen is incorrect. I have taken it several times and have never seen a negative side effect. No back pumps, hairloss, or high bp which I always get from dbol. It is however a little pricy...
Deca is great but will shut you down real hard. Many experience ed from deca cycles. Make sure you have an aggressive post cycle therapy (pct) and take your time off if you run deca.
Four1Thr33
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This whole damn post is very informative Props guys
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