johnfromeurope
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thats 1000ml, my friend View attachment 560780
Nebido my TRT- your take on it?
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lmao, that would be a lot of fluid to shoot into his kiester!
sanipialo
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Big Ben's case is rare and indeed everyone reacts differently. I used 21 days, 34 days or 42 days as these are supported by research depending on the use of Nebido or generic Testosterone undecanoate . The claim by Bayer is 52 days, which is much longer than what researchers claim. Nebido has 63.2% active testosterone, while generic testosterone undecanoate has 61%. This is one of the reasons Nebido is different from generic TU.
The 12 weeks is based on keeping patients levels above the 15 nmol/l (433 ng/dl) although this is within normal range. For most of us it is still too low. The official guideline for Testosterone Cypionate is 70 to 100 mg a week. This is again to keep patients above the 15 nmol/l (433 ng/dl).
Keep in mind that product such as Nebido are created not only for young males on TRT. But also for people going from female-to-male, seniors with low testosterone and males recovering from prostate cancer. In the case of the last 3 keeping blood levels above 15 nmol/l by injecting every 12 weeks is sufficient.
But when you are a male in your 20s 30s or 40s, most doctors want to keep it between the 25 nmol/l and 35 nmol/l (721 and 1010 ng/dl) so they start Nebido at a booster of 6 weeks, followed by 12 weeks and based on the 12 weeks blood results keep the dosage between the 8 and 12 weeks. My doctor told me that on average his male adult patients get it ever 8 to 10 weeks.
In case of Big Ben getting 1 injection of Nebido every 4 weeks. This is a high dosage. He will be getting 632mg of Testosterone every 4 weeks. Which is similar (but much more stable) than injecting 229 mg of Testosterone Cypionate every week. His case in rare, as it is considered a dosage too high for TRT based on what I have researched.
That is TRT patients need to look at blood results and symptoms to make sure the protocol they are using fits their body and needs.
Would it be possible for any one to find me a chart of "testosteron by age" I have been looking for it, but often find those 200-1000TT wich in my opinion are wrong as they include elderly and young. I would really like to see where young people aged 18-25 are set TT - Free T - Bound T and SHGB.
Just seems wierd that its hard to find... please help
Just seems wierd that its hard to find... please help
sanipialo
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There are a few. But one of the most cited one is from Baker HWG, Berger HG, DeKretser DM, et al: Changes in the pituitary-testicular system with age. Clin Endocrinol 1996; 5:349-372.)
This paper is not free and the chart from it is
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If you have a library card. You should be able to get it online from them or on location.
p.s. When I have time I will get you some more. As there have been 3 or 4 such researches that I am aware of based on age.
Megatron28
Moderator
Thanks! I always post this chart but I never knew the source.
They will eventually be generic. The other problem though willl be that they are not currently approved for home injection in the US, so that will be a big roadblock for some as well. Personally if given the choice between injecting at home e3d or a once a month doctor visit I'll stick with home injections.
I will probably have that mindset once I get used to injecting. I am not too keen on Doctor visits, they always seem to take way longer than they should. By the way, I want to respond to your PM but can't until I have 50 posts. I have some questions, though!
I feel so amazing! In other words the oppsite of what i have been experiencing for the last 6-12months after my testicle removal and so on! These last two months have been horrid, the testosteron seemed to have dipped, my mood and motivation to live was horrible. I found more pleasure in being alone, then being with friends that have havent seen for 6months due to traveling... And thats just wrong.
1. My energy is ALOT better, i dont have those red eyes any more and I am actually enjoying doing activies without combatting fatigue.
2. Im clear, I speak clear and loud, i can crack jokes, be funny and once again be the center guy that Ive always been.
(Friends said, dude you seem to different, you seem like yourself again... couple of last times we´ve been with you, you actually had a hard time expressing yourself, you got tired by your own words and often quit the sentence with "shiiitttt im so tired" its like being with the old you again.
3. Enjoyment! I have been living in a fysiological/Mental cage where i could not express what i once was able to... These recent days I seem to laugh at almost everything! My thought->speach connection is so faster and therefore im able to express jokes or feeling through word combinations... Its hard to explain
4. Self-confidence has skyrocketed. I feel alpha, i feel like a machine! Im living life again... this feeling has been gone for a good´ol´long´time and trust me on this one: I am a person that achieves and NEVER gives up or breaksDOWN. Not only am I cancer survivor, refugee and fighter through life, but im a martialartist, capoeista, and artist within many fields.... Even when i was down, i was prouder then most poeple because I just had that feeling/knowlagde that I could overcome every object in life, and so i did with C. But taking my testosteron away, took this winning mentallity away form me, leaving me more brittle then a empty coke can.. you get me.
The changes are primary emotional and energywise! I have yet to see any fysiological progress, but it does take time for the Nebido serum plasma to build up and eventually for the T to work its magic on musclemass n so on. As for now I am waiting for:
1. I had hairloss of beard, body, and hair thinning -> Hopefully trt will get things growing again
2. Libido has increased alittle, this might be due to energy then anything -> waiting better erections, often and more lust.
3. Musclemass.... As what I once was, testosteron is they main ingridient here! It will take time, but i do defently feel abit more "harder" wich eventually does help power as the musclefibers tencen! Basicly ive gone from 20kg db benchpress to 42kg within 2weeks of workout. Main cause in it self is muscle memory, muscle adaptation and the time im putting in... This was done with a TTlvl of 300ish, cant wait to see what happens when i get around the TT1000ish
before trt i felt: Horrible, wasted, tired and drained... Basicly i did not want to continue life with that feeling of, nothing.
Now with TRT: I feel Amazing
Period.
1. My energy is ALOT better, i dont have those red eyes any more and I am actually enjoying doing activies without combatting fatigue.
2. Im clear, I speak clear and loud, i can crack jokes, be funny and once again be the center guy that Ive always been.
(Friends said, dude you seem to different, you seem like yourself again... couple of last times we´ve been with you, you actually had a hard time expressing yourself, you got tired by your own words and often quit the sentence with "shiiitttt im so tired" its like being with the old you again.
3. Enjoyment! I have been living in a fysiological/Mental cage where i could not express what i once was able to... These recent days I seem to laugh at almost everything! My thought->speach connection is so faster and therefore im able to express jokes or feeling through word combinations... Its hard to explain
4. Self-confidence has skyrocketed. I feel alpha, i feel like a machine! Im living life again... this feeling has been gone for a good´ol´long´time and trust me on this one: I am a person that achieves and NEVER gives up or breaksDOWN. Not only am I cancer survivor, refugee and fighter through life, but im a martialartist, capoeista, and artist within many fields.... Even when i was down, i was prouder then most poeple because I just had that feeling/knowlagde that I could overcome every object in life, and so i did with C. But taking my testosteron away, took this winning mentallity away form me, leaving me more brittle then a empty coke can.. you get me.
The changes are primary emotional and energywise! I have yet to see any fysiological progress, but it does take time for the Nebido serum plasma to build up and eventually for the T to work its magic on musclemass n so on. As for now I am waiting for:
1. I had hairloss of beard, body, and hair thinning -> Hopefully trt will get things growing again
2. Libido has increased alittle, this might be due to energy then anything -> waiting better erections, often and more lust.
3. Musclemass.... As what I once was, testosteron is they main ingridient here! It will take time, but i do defently feel abit more "harder" wich eventually does help power as the musclefibers tencen! Basicly ive gone from 20kg db benchpress to 42kg within 2weeks of workout. Main cause in it self is muscle memory, muscle adaptation and the time im putting in... This was done with a TTlvl of 300ish, cant wait to see what happens when i get around the TT1000ish
before trt i felt: Horrible, wasted, tired and drained... Basicly i did not want to continue life with that feeling of, nothing.
Now with TRT: I feel Amazing
Period.
Megatron28
Moderator
Isn't the brain a wonderful thing! I can see you are having a powerful placebo effect. Imagine how you are going to feel in 3-4 weeks when the testosterone actually starts kicking in.
3 days after your very first injection of Nebido isn't enough time for it to have an impact. But keep enjoying the ride!
I had the same placebo effect and it lasted right up until the test stated working. The brain is incredible. Almost one third of people who get the placebo in a clinical trial have thier symptoms relived. That is an amazing fact. Just having good that you will get better seems to fix a large minority of people.
johnfromeurope
Member
but is there a difference between placebo and when test actually kicks in...? /not sure if srs
Megatron28
Moderator
Yes. There is a difference. I am being 100% serious about the time it takes for injections to kick in and placebo effects
This is what I like to read! I am so happy for you and how you are feeling, even if its placebo haha. But, regardless, almost everything that you said about how you were feeling etc is spot on with how I am feeling. If TRT can fix that, I will be a happy man.
Not many people do this, but I disagree with you Megatron28 and TRTnoob. Placebo is a powerful thing for most people, desktop warriors, fatsoldiers, lazypeons, and unhumanly human... My profession is within mentallity, fysiologics, and the connection between.
Shoot 500mg of test P and idd like to see if the T does not shoot up within a day or two, and have pronouced psylogical effects of T
- I am not going to start a fight here, the feelings that I am feeling are real. It is a difference between dead and alive... Before doctors diagnosed with me with C, I was actually telling them that I was sick... They did not believe! Time passed and I started to state that it had spread within me. I went to different doctors and told them about my symptoms of cancer "Eyefloaters, dark spots in my vision" and "Tinnitus, ringing in the ears that has been there for 6months now" They said it was not related to C and asked why I was playing smart. BP went to 175/90/90 yet another indicator for me that something was wrong, I stated that it was due to oxidatestress, cortisol and fighting the illness they ignored... 7months passed and I started to faint, faint and faint. A walking zombie, when one day it was either the easy way or the hard way! I took the hard way and kicked the door in to the hospital... I threatend them, they did a scan and came back with their sorry ass sad faces... Sir, you were right! It has spread, you have C, you´ll have surgery and chemo within 15days "Ive never laughed so muchin my life" - I always feel the effects of medicine within short notice, even when i have no clue about what they are.
- Me being able to drive to the doc right now, getting BW for this thread is a god damn dream
- Last testicle is aking, wich could be a sign for me that yeah it diffently is starting to work.
The amount of time that T has to take its course for psyiological effects, i am not sure! But i know that the effects are within a short peroid, as this is how we are built as humans. You get mad, you go down. You get sad, you get happy, you get aggresive, you get calm... Hormones work fast in this way... As for receptors in SM and fysioloigcal its a different story, no body became a bodybuilder within a week or two! I do believe the serum has to build up for this to be prevelent.
All im saying is this is defently a true feeling. I feel Amaziiiiiiiingggg yayah.
Shoot 500mg of test P and idd like to see if the T does not shoot up within a day or two, and have pronouced psylogical effects of T
- I am not going to start a fight here, the feelings that I am feeling are real. It is a difference between dead and alive... Before doctors diagnosed with me with C, I was actually telling them that I was sick... They did not believe! Time passed and I started to state that it had spread within me. I went to different doctors and told them about my symptoms of cancer "Eyefloaters, dark spots in my vision" and "Tinnitus, ringing in the ears that has been there for 6months now" They said it was not related to C and asked why I was playing smart. BP went to 175/90/90 yet another indicator for me that something was wrong, I stated that it was due to oxidatestress, cortisol and fighting the illness they ignored... 7months passed and I started to faint, faint and faint. A walking zombie, when one day it was either the easy way or the hard way! I took the hard way and kicked the door in to the hospital... I threatend them, they did a scan and came back with their sorry ass sad faces... Sir, you were right! It has spread, you have C, you´ll have surgery and chemo within 15days "Ive never laughed so muchin my life" - I always feel the effects of medicine within short notice, even when i have no clue about what they are.
- Me being able to drive to the doc right now, getting BW for this thread is a god damn dream
- Last testicle is aking, wich could be a sign for me that yeah it diffently is starting to work.
The amount of time that T has to take its course for psyiological effects, i am not sure! But i know that the effects are within a short peroid, as this is how we are built as humans. You get mad, you go down. You get sad, you get happy, you get aggresive, you get calm... Hormones work fast in this way... As for receptors in SM and fysioloigcal its a different story, no body became a bodybuilder within a week or two! I do believe the serum has to build up for this to be prevelent.
All im saying is this is defently a true feeling. I feel Amaziiiiiiiingggg yayah.
Megatron28
Moderator
But you didn't take Propionate. You took Nebido, right? Big difference.
That aching testicle is because it is starting to shut down. Even though it wasn't producing a lot of testosterone, it was pumping out something. Right now the increase you are getting from exogenous test is being offset by the lossnin endogenous testosterone. That is why it takes time to start feeling better and increase testosterone levels in the beginning. You are only three days in on a very long-lasting slow-releasing ester.
And don't discount the placebo effect. There is nothing wrong feeling better due to this effect. It feels real -- that is all that matters.
That aching testicle is because it is starting to shut down. Even though it wasn't producing a lot of testosterone, it was pumping out something. Right now the increase you are getting from exogenous test is being offset by the lossnin endogenous testosterone. That is why it takes time to start feeling better and increase testosterone levels in the beginning. You are only three days in on a very long-lasting slow-releasing ester.
And don't discount the placebo effect. There is nothing wrong feeling better due to this effect. It feels real -- that is all that matters.
Exactly, that's what is so amazing about it. Our minds have the power to make us feel better all on their own. Enjoy it, don't question it. Why you feel better does not matter at all.
