Not doin tren...Winstrol

[GettinJack3d]

Ha i know im just anxious to start a cycle. I dont know where i can find test unless i can buy it over the counter which i highly doubt

 

[Pinnacle@Rep]

Ha i know im just anxious to start a cycle. I dont know where i can find test unless i can buy it over the counter which i highly doubt

Cobra! Yeah bro, I didn't know the exact story behind the Gear Police but I'm just bein' stupid! Hoping some of these noobs will just listen to you!

3D- dude you are saying things that lead me and others I'm sure, to believe you are very much in the dark in this game and that is a shitty place to be. By Deca I'm going to assume you mean Nandrolone Decanoate which is another thing you don't run on a first cycle and without Test!
Alot of time when ppl start talking like you are (like they haven't researched for even 1 hour) then the guys who really can help you out don't say shit cause they feel like they will be wasting their time and you end up getting a bunch of shitty advise from guys that got lucky on their first cycle or don't know shit!!!
You're anxious and that is understandable but why don't you get your 50 posts you need to start PMing and start making friends with some of the bro's on the site. If you come to a bro with sense and like you have researched I really don't see it being hard for you to figure out where you can get some Test E, C, Sus, P or any other TESTOSTERONE you want!

 

[sicasso13]

FIXED. Get a 3rd grade english book and review it.. Just to refresh your coconut LOL

And I've never taken Tren, but I dont think your comparison is reasonable.. Winni more "sides" than Tren? I highly doubt it!

If youhave never taken it how would you know ?? Again use your coco and leave the advice to those who have done a few things !!! Winstrol Hit me hard brother I thought the sides sucked with joint pain and a few other things like zits !!!
Tren if not abused works very well my friend with TEST !! LOL

 

[sicasso13]

Cobra! Yeah bro, I didn't know the exact story behind the Gear Police but I'm just bein' stupid! Hoping some of these noobs will just listen to you!

3D- dude you are saying things that lead me and others I'm sure, to believe you are very much in the dark in this game and that is a shitty place to be. By Deca I'm going to assume you mean Nandrolone Decanoate which is another thing you don't run on a first cycle and without Test!
Alot of time when ppl start talking like you are (like they haven't researched for even 1 hour) then the guys who really can help you out don't say shit cause they feel like they will be wasting their time and you end up getting a bunch of shitty advise from guys that got lucky on their first cycle or don't know shit!!!
You're anxious and that is understandable but why don't you get your 50 posts you need to start PMing and start making friends with some of the bro's on the site. If you come to a bro with sense and like you have researched I really don't see it being hard for you to figure out where you can get some Test E, C, Sus, P or any other TESTOSTERONE you want!

 

[sicasso13]

bro this is not good advice on so many levels....

to the op...test only on the first cycle bro...lets do things right

I disagree 100% ...
I Think if you are going to be doing a cycle it should have a few compounds whether it be your first or 10 th cycle !! The test only rule is bullshit and bad advice in my opinion and again doesnt really give the results than one wants !! We are not cancer paitents we are trying to get lean mass when everything is said and done so we can look hot for the chics and feel like king kong !! Just my take on things bro i have this convo alot so dont take offence to it

 

[DADAWG]

I disagree 100% ...
I Think if you are going to be doing a cycle it should have a few compounds whether it be your first or 10 th cycle !! The test only rule is bullshit and bad advice in my opinion and again doesnt really give the results than one wants !! We are not cancer paitents we are trying to get lean mass when everything is said and done so we can look hot for the chics and feel like king kong !! Just my take on things bro i have this convo alot so dont take offence to it

this newbie is a good example of why test only on a 1st cycle is best , he is absolutely clueless and if he ran multiple compounds there is absolutely no way he could figure out what side effects he was having from which compound . 1st time cyclers need things to be as simple as possible and test only fills the bill. and if your a newbie and dont grow off of a solid test cycle then you didnt eat enough and multiple compounds wont fix that.

 

[Pinnacle@Rep]

I disagree 100% ...
I Think if you are going to be doing a cycle it should have a few compounds whether it be your first or 10 th cycle !! The test only rule is bullshit and bad advice in my opinion and again doesnt really give the results than one wants !! We are not cancer paitents we are trying to get lean mass when everything is said and done so we can look hot for the chics and feel like king kong !! Just my take on things bro i have this convo alot so dont take offence to it

Why would anyone take offense to your disagreement? You're being totally mature about your argument. However, I disagree with you and believe that if this is how you started your juicing then you happen to be a lucky person.
I'm sure that you have great results from your method of juicing otherwise you wouldn't be so adamant about your suggestions.
The point here is that not everyone is lucky and some peoples luck runs out and this stuff, lets face it, can in fact put you in a bad place (like a cancer patient), if not done properly.
Our advise is with peoples safety in mind and though sometimes it may appear overly cautious there is good reason to be. Taking your method of AAS use will produce a higher percentage of "bad things" than using our method of first cycles. These "bad things" that happen that end people up in their doctors office and the ER (in rare cases) is what give AAS a bad name.

 

[sicasso13]

this newbie is a good example of why test only on a 1st cycle is best , he is absolutely clueless and if he ran multiple compounds there is absolutely no way he could figure out what side effects he was having from which compound . 1st time cyclers need things to be as simple as possible and test only fills the bill. and if your a newbie and dont grow off of a solid test cycle then you didnt eat enough and multiple compounds wont fix that.

I agree with what your saying however if the newbie did his homework and understood what it is that really happens to the body and what one needs to do in regards to diet,Working out,rest,, Then the poor newbie who is doing a 8 to 12 week cycle wouldnt need the other compounds having said that..In my experience they blame the compound ( Test) and say they are fake or not real underdosed !! The tren really makes things happen in terms of getting that ripped look whether your diet is dog shit and your lifting like a little girl !!
I think tren is one of the if not the compound to use with test!!! The 2 combined work wonders with a lack in the main departments of food and gym !! Really if you think about it and have used it you know what I mean ,, 400 mg and 400 test a week and your rocking with no sides and getting the results with a half assed routine if no routine at all !! Just my thoughts again one needs to educate them selves b4 putting it in there body which most dont and end up fucked up anyways to be honest

 

[sicasso13]

Why would anyone take offense to your disagreement? You're being totally mature about your argument. However, I disagree with you and believe that if this is how you started your juicing then you happen to be a lucky person.
I'm sure that you have great results from your method of juicing otherwise you wouldn't be so adamant about your suggestions.
The point here is that not everyone is lucky and some peoples luck runs out and this stuff, lets face it, can in fact put you in a bad place (like a cancer patient), if not done properly.
Our advise is with peoples safety in mind and though sometimes it may appear overly cautious there is good reason to be. Taking your method of AAS use will produce a higher percentage of "bad things" than using our method of first cycles. These "bad things" that happen that end people up in their doctors office and the ER (in rare cases) is what give AAS a bad name.

Nothing to do with luck just was very well educated with what i was sticking into my body b4 i actually stuck it in my body !! It is my body and I needed to know what i was doing b4 i did it !! If they dont understand what they are using how will they understand what the sides are and what to do about them or what to look for!!I have had severe sides from using to much of every compound and some with very little of just one compound ,,,Trial and error and as far as going to the emerge you would have to not follow what everyone preaches on here which is blood work done on a regular basis,,There is a fix for everything as long as you know what to fix and with what !! Just my take on it bro !!

 

[DADAWG]

I agree with what your saying however if the newbie did his homework and understood what it is that really happens to the body and what one needs to do in regards to diet,Working out,rest,, Then the poor newbie who is doing a 8 to 12 week cycle wouldnt need the other compounds having said that..In my experience they blame the compound ( Test) and say they are fake or not real underdosed !! The tren really makes things happen in terms of getting that ripped look whether your diet is dog shit and your lifting like a little girl !!
I think tren is one of the if not the compound to use with test!!! The 2 combined work wonders with a lack in the main departments of food and gym !! Really if you think about it and have used it you know what I mean ,, 400 mg and 400 test a week and your rocking with no sides and getting the results with a half assed routine if no routine at all !! Just my thoughts again one needs to educate them selves b4 putting it in there body which most dont and end up fucked up anyways to be honest

we both know that probablly less than 10% of these guys do their home work. test only is a safe reccomendation . theres a lot of boards out there modded by 19 year old idiots reccomending massive / reckless cycles and those guys dont give a shit about their members , its just a power trip for them . im far from perfect and at times pretty quick tempered but i actually do care about these guys and i would rather give a conservative reccomendadtion than cause 1 guy to get gyno or worse yet have serious blood pressure issues from a cycle that he wasnt ready for.

as they say down south
1 aw shit cancels a lot of atta boys

 

[catcracker1]

not to step on any toes. new to this forum. i agree not doing the winnie. but when i did my first cycle it was tren with d-bol. this advice came from a pro bodybuilder who is a friend of mine. i have to say i loved it. dose was 400mg. and d-bol was only 25. but, everyone is different. i think the majority here is telling not to do winnie. i do not have the experience on winnie, but tren is my number one.

 

[Cobra Strike]

test only first cycle is hands down the best idea for anyone no matter what they know about aas. This isnt even an argument. Tren is one of if not is the most powerful aas out there and most def should not be used on a first cycle. That is wreckless. Why not find out what test does and feels like first? This is just common sense to me and I dont care what kind of experiences anyone has had....its just plain stupid to run tren right away. i.e. sicasso says he researched the compounds and new everything about them then he runs them and gets harsh sides....now to me if someone knew what they were doing then they could decrease chances of sides...not to mention he sounds wreckless by saying he has used to much of every compound...Im just pointing out the obvious.

I agree with dadawg and starks....if you run test only and eat properly then you will gain. Aas wont work worth a shit without eating properly.

catcracker...a few reasons winni is bad is its hard on your joints and fucks up your lipids

to the op....your not gonna decide that you want to ride dirt bikes and the first thing you do is get yourself the best dirt bike out there and try to clear some triples on your first jump ever......same with aas....your not educated enough and the learning process will benefit you vastly in the near future

 

[GettinJack3d]

Cobra! Yeah bro, I didn't know the exact story behind the Gear Police but I'm just bein' stupid! Hoping some of these noobs will just listen to you!

3D- dude you are saying things that lead me and others I'm sure, to believe you are very much in the dark in this game and that is a shitty place to be. By Deca I'm going to assume you mean Nandrolone Decanoate which is another thing you don't run on a first cycle and without Test!
Alot of time when ppl start talking like you are (like they haven't researched for even 1 hour) then the guys who really can help you out don't say shit cause they feel like they will be wasting their time and you end up getting a bunch of shitty advise from guys that got lucky on their first cycle or don't know shit!!!
You're anxious and that is understandable but why don't you get your 50 posts you need to start PMing and start making friends with some of the bro's on the site. If you come to a bro with sense and like you have researched I really don't see it being hard for you to figure out where you can get some Test E, C, Sus, P or any other TESTOSTERONE you want!

well it looks like im 6 posts away from pming people and makin some friends..lol


i made up my mind im doing tren and test to start my first cycle

 

[Pinnacle@Rep]

well it looks like im 6 posts away from pming people and makin some friends..lol


i made up my mind im doing tren and test to start my first cycle

Well it appears you have made up your mind on what you're gonna do here and I'm not mad at ya! You're a grown man and though I don't recommend it never-the-less you will probably come out fine. Keep a very close eye, and I mean very close eye on your BLOOD PRESSURE!!! 120to 130 over 70to 80 is normal. If that top number gets to 150 or higher you better start thinkin' quick because if you get too high you can suffer a stroke and it happens in the snap of a fuckin' finger and you may not have a warning.
Good luck and keep us posted.

 

[Cam01]

If youhave never taken it how would you know ?? Again use your coco and leave the advice to those who have done a few things !!! Winstrol Hit me hard brother I thought the sides sucked with joint pain and a few other things like zits !!!
Tren if not abused works very well my friend with TEST !! LOL

Well, I have never ran Tren. But I just find it so hard to believe that sides on Winstrol (winny) are more than on Tren. I was on 80mg of Winstrol (winny) ED and didn't have any issues what-so-ever (for about 7 weeks - started at 30mg for the first week)

I guess it depends on the individual.
I'm adding Tren to my Test cycle.. Probably tonite. about 100-125mg EOD.

 

[sicasso13]

test only first cycle is hands down the best idea for anyone no matter what they know about aas. This isnt even an argument. Tren is one of if not is the most powerful aas out there and most def should not be used on a first cycle. That is wreckless. Why not find out what test does and feels like first? This is just common sense to me and I dont care what kind of experiences anyone has had....its just plain stupid to run tren right away. i.e. sicasso says he researched the compounds and new everything about them then he runs them and gets harsh sides....now to me if someone knew what they were doing then they could decrease chances of sides...not to mention he sounds wreckless by saying he has used to much of every compound...Im just pointing out the obvious.

I agree with dadawg and starks....if you run test only and eat properly then you will gain. Aas wont work worth a shit without eating properly.

catcracker...a few reasons winni is bad is its hard on your joints and fucks up your lipids

to the op....your not gonna decide that you want to ride dirt bikes and the first thing you do is get yourself the best dirt bike out there and try to clear some triples on your first jump ever......same with aas....your not educated enough and the learning process will benefit you vastly in the near future

OK so lets look at the post if we can Has tren and bought orals or can get them which is dogshit and very harsh on the body !! My side is hurting just reading it ,,Has never done a cycle and Cobra was the only one who asked about stats so lets go by stats for a second,, 20 yrs of age 6 ft and 195 pds 10.5 bf and wants to get that down which i cant understand at his size and age !! ok so he wants to get rid of body fat and get a little mass aswell im sure he sounds a little skinny.. So the test is going to give him a shit load of water retention and keep in mind its his first cycle ,,So what is the answer ?? I would say 400mg of test and 400 of tren ace ,,He is going to get a little sick from the test maybe ( Flu like symptoms) into the 4 th week and then back to normal and the tren will not do fuck all but give him the ability to get a little lean mass and speed up his metab to get rid of the bf !! Nice and simple !! Be ready for summer,, Skinny minny to not to shabby for the ladies

 

[sicasso13]

test only first cycle is hands down the best idea for anyone no matter what they know about aas. This isnt even an argument. Tren is one of if not is the most powerful aas out there and most def should not be used on a first cycle. That is wreckless. Why not find out what test does and feels like first? This is just common sense to me and I dont care what kind of experiences anyone has had....its just plain stupid to run tren right away. i.e. sicasso says he researched the compounds and new everything about them then he runs them and gets harsh sides....now to me if someone knew what they were doing then they could decrease chances of sides...not to mention he sounds wreckless by saying he has used to much of every compound...Im just pointing out the obvious.

I agree with dadawg and starks....if you run test only and eat properly then you will gain. Aas wont work worth a shit without eating properly.

catcracker...a few reasons winni is bad is its hard on your joints and fucks up your lipids

to the op....your not gonna decide that you want to ride dirt bikes and the first thing you do is get yourself the best dirt bike out there and try to clear some triples on your first jump ever......same with aas....your not educated enough and the learning process will benefit you vastly in the near future

And I agree with alot of what you said its good safe advice which is what we want !!The kid is just that a kid and waants to get bigger and lean and me or you or who ever is not going to change his mind on what ever he does!!! I wanted to be big and cut like All those guys at the beach with the hot chics !!Fuck me i still remember being a little piss ant jealous as ever !! Rather than him going on a test only cycle which is great!! what the fuck is it going to do for him ..When all is said and done he will not be any bigger or have any lean muscle worth looking at and he did all that harmful stuff for no reason !!! So why even sugest take anything go eat and learn how to do things is what he should be told !! He produces more than enough test in his body to get ripped and look big period !! Again the best advice is do the tren and test and see what it is like to fuck with the body that god gave you He has the tren so ya know he is going to do it I would be asking how he made it LOL !!

 

[sicasso13]

Well, I have never ran Tren. But I just find it so hard to believe that sides on Winstrol (winny) are more than on Tren. I was on 80mg of Winstrol (winny) ED and didn't have any issues what-so-ever (for about 7 weeks - started at 30mg for the first week)

I guess it depends on the individual.
I'm adding Tren to my Test cycle.. Probably tonite. about 100-125mg EOD.

LOL that a boy !! The orals only are a fuckin killer which is what he was going to do !! At least the test will give a little water retention (hope) and the tren is way safer than just the orals !!

 

[Cobra Strike]

well fuck....I didnt even look at his stats even though I asked....

to the op....first of all your stupid for choosing to run test and tren...and I have known plenty of guys that get great gains of test alone....experienced guys...

second your stupid for running aas all together...like sicasso says your way to young and have alot of test in your body already....read the sticky "am I ready for gear checklist"....your hormones are already out of balance and now your going to go fuck them up....man your heading down the wrong path...not the one with the flowers and birds singing...the one thats dark and crows fill the leafless trees....your not even done growing yet....quit being so fuckin impatient...its gonna bite you in the ass. You have no idea wtf these compounds even are seriously....


I am being dead serious when I say you should be concerned....

you only have one life....dont fuck it up

 

[sicasso13]

well fuck....I didnt even look at his stats even though I asked....

to the op....first of all your stupid for choosing to run test and tren...and I have known plenty of guys that get great gains of test alone....experienced guys...

second your stupid for running aas all together...like sicasso says your way to young and have alot of test in your body already....read the sticky "am I ready for gear checklist"....your hormones are already out of balance and now your going to go fuck them up....man your heading down the wrong path...not the one with the flowers and birds singing...the one thats dark and crows fill the leafless trees....your not even done growing yet....quit being so fuckin impatient...its gonna bite you in the ass. You have no idea wtf these compounds even are seriously....

you only have one life....dont fuck it up

LMAO Now ya get it Crazy thing is he has the tren he made which is the part that scares me