And I see guys all the time that have been working out for years that still cant bench 290 or dead 440. Those are very respectable at your weight. Be proud of them and I promise if u switch up your diet and training maybe a little u will pass those up in no time. And if your diet was the same a year that's not good because you have more weight to fuel meaning you need more food.
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tednatas
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Excellent all around advice here!
Bro we all know how seductive the roids are. Just trust that no one is trying to do anything but steer you in the right direction. You will at one point be giving some kid the same advice in a few years.
lol nah by then the whole world will be on 100 cc's of ultra bieber intra venous at night before bed and everything that the prohormone and "natural steroid" makers promise will be a reality, for every living soul. can't imagine it? think: garden of eden stylie.... baby baby oh yeah.
rctriplefresh5
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that's the thing though, ive never wanted to use roids or anything. obviously i have a very hard work ethic to walk into the gym on day one and see all the junior and senior girls doing the bar for 20 reps easy on bench, and i couldnt even do one rep.
the thing is, i feel like i put in so much work with minimal results. if my test is 477 as a 21 year old, it's only downhill from here. my 55 yr old dad is 373 which is not too far from me.. i cant imagine how high his was at 21 ha.
im not a 290 bencher or 445 deadlfiter...i was. it's not that istopped lifting, it's just i can't hold onto my strength. it's very discouraging to know i used to be able to ass to the floor squat 275 which sucked anyway..and now i barely do 205.
and to top it off...i doubt this tbol will increase my test at all.
we all share a common bond here...we want to be beasts. you guys with normal test levels want your test to skyrocket, i'm sure you could understand where im coming from.
but yeah i would lie to avoid hormonal shit if possible..so for now ill just try to tweak the diet, and hope the tbol helps(anyone think itll make nay difference)
btw i have a friend who is taking dbol(hes 21 and it's his first cycle) and hes not using a pct....ill be saying an i told yah so there.
to give you guys an idea of how my strength fluctuates. around a year ago i attempted to press 120 pound dumbbells on flat bench and i got a rep....a week later i barely pressed 210x3...and it's not like i had taken off barbell work and switched to dbs. I actually was doing bb,but wanted to mess around and try 120
working m way up form that was hell
anyway thanks for all the great advice guys!!!
rctriplefresh5
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i think im ust gonna look up another antia ging doctor in my area...as i didnt like the one who wanted to put me on t with no regard for other hormones. it is not my diet..my diet ay not be perfect, but it is the ebst i could do considering i have gastrointestinal issues. and it is 3-4k a day.
itt really blows when you get weaker on a consistent basis despite traing your ass off for so many years. today i barely benched 230x4 which was around what i could do in highschool lol. at 160 to boot lol. i wasnt inured then either lol!and think i have a right to ue testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) considering my levels, i dont think i should have to feel guilty about it. i mean what makes it right for people with normal test like you guys to use cycles but someone who has low test for his asge shouldnt when i need it just to be on the same level of natural guys my age?
anyone now any good clinics in nj?
not too mention i have other symptoms of low testosterone, like tired all the time, feel like shit all the time...so even if i were to try testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) ..it's not just for lifting lol.
anyway thanks again for the comments.
rctriplefresh5
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of course ihave depression...you would have it too if youve put your heart and soul into lifting and got weaker and weaker....
besides depression is a symptom of low test...and i don't need your condescending remarks
i guess if noone will tell me where a good antiaging clinic is ill just look myself...figured itd be good to ask people with experience....or ill just go bk to that guy who doesnt care about estrogen
besides depression is a symptom of low test...and i don't need your condescending remarks
i guess if noone will tell me where a good antiaging clinic is ill just look myself...figured itd be good to ask people with experience....or ill just go bk to that guy who doesnt care about estrogen
rctriplefresh5
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not to mention just barely deadlifted 300 fucking pounds.
well i can see ive overstayed my welcome..noone here wants to reccomend any palces in nj
well i can see ive overstayed my welcome..noone here wants to reccomend any palces in nj
You are way to worried about your lifts. I went to the gym on no sleep today and my lifts sucked ass but you go back the next time and try again. Here's the thing, you aren't willing to listen to what's being said. Low t or not this is related to your diet, training, sleep, and in your head. If you are constantly doubting yourself it's going to effect everything you do. Build your confidence. Go to the diet forum and talk to 3J. I garantee it will make a difference. You can't just base it all on calories. You need to know what to eat and when because it makes a difference and is needed to grow and maintain strength. This is the first step you need to take. Even if you get on test, lifts will fluctuate depending on eating and sleeping.
You have all the advice that can be given. Drop the excuses and man up. Forget about what you use to do and make the changes you need now. Do what you want about seeing a doc but don't think it will solve all your problems. Get your mind right first. Talk to the doc and if you are committed go get the help with your diet.
You have all the advice that can be given. Drop the excuses and man up. Forget about what you use to do and make the changes you need now. Do what you want about seeing a doc but don't think it will solve all your problems. Get your mind right first. Talk to the doc and if you are committed go get the help with your diet.
rctriplefresh5
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that's the thing, for you, a bad day is a bad day. i have that attitude as well, forget the day i had today and focus on the next week...the next week comes and the results are worse ...ill look in the diet forum...but im not happy with my t level and see no reason not to use test if i could find a dr i trust who would put me on Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) as well. from what ive read if you do weekly doses conversion to e2 is also not too much of a risk..sure it happens but not as much as bi weekly
going from a 445 dead to struggling with 300 today is not a bad day. low t plus low free t is shit. ive always had high cortisol as well. my prolactin though has always been awesome..last prolactin was 2.7 or something on a scale of like 2.5-17...estradiol was 22 on a scale of 10-50) lh and fsh were 2ish
and i train fo powerlifting so that is why i am worried about the lifts. would a post cycle therapy (pct) raise my test levels? i still feel this tbol should have shown some effects in me, like better sleep i feel i wasted money
going from a 445 dead to struggling with 300 today is not a bad day. low t plus low free t is shit. ive always had high cortisol as well. my prolactin though has always been awesome..last prolactin was 2.7 or something on a scale of like 2.5-17...estradiol was 22 on a scale of 10-50) lh and fsh were 2ish
and i train fo powerlifting so that is why i am worried about the lifts. would a post cycle therapy (pct) raise my test levels? i still feel this tbol should have shown some effects in me, like better sleep i feel i wasted money
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shockandawelifter
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What type of job do you have?
How much watter do you drink?
How often do you deload?
how often do you switch your mane exercise?
It sounds like your over training. Even guys with highly enhanced healing from gear deload.
Overtraining will cause fucked up hormones, depression, injuries. Weight loss, fat gain,Insomnia, anxiety, the list goes on. Depending on how bad it is it can take anywhere from a week to more then a year to recover from it.
When most people stall they figure they need to push harder in the gym this isn't always a good idea. When you stall its time to deload and switch things up.
Say your using bench press as your max effort lift, once your progress in bench starts to slow or stops, deload for a week and switch to close grip bench and repeat, then floor press, then incline press. ect.... this should be done for max effort lower body also.
You need to rethink your training and diet before you consider more drastic options.
I hope this helps.
How much watter do you drink?
How often do you deload?
how often do you switch your mane exercise?
It sounds like your over training. Even guys with highly enhanced healing from gear deload.
Overtraining will cause fucked up hormones, depression, injuries. Weight loss, fat gain,Insomnia, anxiety, the list goes on. Depending on how bad it is it can take anywhere from a week to more then a year to recover from it.
When most people stall they figure they need to push harder in the gym this isn't always a good idea. When you stall its time to deload and switch things up.
Say your using bench press as your max effort lift, once your progress in bench starts to slow or stops, deload for a week and switch to close grip bench and repeat, then floor press, then incline press. ect.... this should be done for max effort lower body also.
You need to rethink your training and diet before you consider more drastic options.
I hope this helps.
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rctriplefresh5
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rctriplefresh5
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well i usually take week or so off every 10 weeks. since my back is fried, i only bench and curl now unfortunately so i dont train too often maybe 1-2 times a week if i feel like doing standing bb press(which i have been doing trying to get 185 strict press)
i dont work, but am doing 16 credits at college this term. i don't live on campus, or drink or do drugs
at this point i dont switch the exercise anymore. i used to do that...took off bench and tried floor presses and they went up ut bench went down...or went to dumbbells and they went up but bench went down.
my last and most effective routine(the one that got me out of my 2 year long plateau) i dropped the weight to 155 and ddi as many reps as i could, then added 20 pounds a week trying to only lose 2 reps a week(hard goals) then when i got to 230 for reps dropped back down to 160 and repeated this.
although i dont know if this is a deload cause i still pushed myself to the max to get all my reps
one reason i really want to start testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) is because the only reason i got out of my plateau, was because i fixed my vit deficiency...i went from 19 to currently 75. however noow i lost all those benefits...so i figure fixing my T will help me out.
i dont consider myself a natural lifter....i consider myself LESS than natural....in order to be a natural 21 yr old i need trt.
if a doc will give me weekly does of 150 cp, some Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG), and an estrogen blocker...i dont see what would be so bad about doing it for life....especially since i hear T lowers cortisol and mine is higher than normal.....also testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) might help my injures that NEVER HEAL DESPITE HAVING THEM FOR YEARS...taking time off makes them worse..also i cant possibly train the way i need to cause i never get sleep despite being tired all the time lol.
juced_porkchop
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most OTC stuff is bullshit.
dont wast your $ . stick to basics.
id rec:
wheytobuildmuscle (protein)
need2slin
creatine
better protein bars
and stick to diet and trainning.
also theres a sale where you can get theses going on right now at Need To Build Muscle Inc.
use code: juced_porkchop25
for 25% off whole order.
if not atleast stick to basics . ether run aas (wich i do not rec at 21,) or dont bother with test boosters, atleast not in your early 20's, not much is gonna bee seen in my op.
dont wast your $ . stick to basics.
id rec:
wheytobuildmuscle (protein)
need2slin
creatine
better protein bars
and stick to diet and trainning.
also theres a sale where you can get theses going on right now at Need To Build Muscle Inc.
use code: juced_porkchop25
for 25% off whole order.
if not atleast stick to basics . ether run aas (wich i do not rec at 21,) or dont bother with test boosters, atleast not in your early 20's, not much is gonna bee seen in my op.
juced_porkchop
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your letting yourself fail with your goals i hope you can see that.
eather pull up your socks ands do what need to be done or dont. theres no easy way with T boosters ect. if your not gonan workout properly, swich up workouts, eat right ect.
juced_porkchop
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fixing a vitamin issue has nothing to do with test levels if fixed.
unless im confused.
also whats 19 to 75 mean? what are these numbers for?
i think you need to do alot of research and maybe talk to a doc.
not to bash you but you seem to think there is somthing special gonna hapen if your on HRT/ testosterone replacement therapy (TRT). with out working your ass off and doing what needs to be done , nothings gonna change.
rctriplefresh5
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I ACTUALLY MET THOSE GOALS BACK THEN. IVE ALWAYS PUT I NTHE WORK TO SUCCEED, IT'S ALWAYS BEEN MY BODY NOT WANTING TO GET STRONGER...JUST FIXING MYU VIT D ALLOWED ME TO GAIN FROM 160 TO 179 and bust out of the plateau.
sorry didnt mean to type in caps lol
i wasnt saying vit d has to do with test levels, i was saying fixing that deficient area allowed my hard work to finally transfer into results from the gym....so fixing my deficient test will hopefully do the same. im sure if a doc took me from 477 to 900 id notice a dif if i could keep e2 in control.
in addition to the gym, like i said i feel tired all the time...only symptom of low t i dont have is i have a decent libido and i cum a good deal(not that i have anyone to compare too) but then again i dont really get laid s that might be why i have a really high libido.
i dont want to run aas...and you guys have it all wrong, i was not trying the test booster to get fast results and take the easy way out...in fact i was doing the opposite. a doc told me i can have testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) last year....but i wanted to still try and bust out of my plateau...and that never happened an now a year later i feel the worst i ever have....and so i thought..well maybe instead of trying the injections i willl try natural test boosters and see if test is really my prob...if it is, maybe i can fix them here.
i can prob still get my money back from amazon....but i think these test boosters may work..i mean i only gave it 7 ays? isnt divanol proven to raise free test? and reversatol? tbol has those and not in propriatory amounts either.
19 was my vit d before is started taking 10,000 units a day for the last year...and 75 is where i am now
rctriplefresh5
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i could tell im not welcomed o nthis forum...all of you guys who have normal testosterone could shoot yourselves up all you want,but me with low levels and shitty lh and fsh numbers at a young age. with clinical symptoms gets treated like im trying to take shortcuts
too much for any of you to answer a simple question such as is my lh and fsh bad...and all i get is fix your diet....
ill take my chances with the dr who only cares about test cause absolutely noone here wanted to give me a name of their doc
too much for any of you to answer a simple question such as is my lh and fsh bad...and all i get is fix your diet....
ill take my chances with the dr who only cares about test cause absolutely noone here wanted to give me a name of their doc
