NPP experiences??!

[JuicyJuggalo]

But doesn't a longer ester (enanthate/cypionate) build up more estrogen because the longer the test takes to release, the more gets converted via aromatase enzyme? (shown to cause water/fat bloat) With propionate/acetate esters its released so quickly it doesn't get the chance to convert test to estrogen as much? That's just what I've heard

 

[RJ]

But doesn't a longer ester (enanthate/cypionate) build up more estrogen because the longer the test takes to release, the more gets converted via aromatase enzyme? (shown to cause water/fat bloat) With propionate/acetate esters its released so quickly it doesn't get the chance to convert test to estrogen as much? That's just what I've heard

sounds interesting... never heard that though. Not saying you're wrong. I would think it would be the opposite, because with the shorter esters you get more actual hormone with each inject.

But, we're talking about nandrolone not test right? Nandrolone will aromatize, but it is so insignificant its rarely an issue.

What most forget is that increased prolactin will cause the same negative side effects that estrogen does. Hence blaoting, etc. This is why controlling prolactin during a 19nor cycle is so important as well.

 

[Ballas]

From what i've gathered that diet can also control bloat. The cleaner the carbs the less water bloat.

In the npp side, excellent compound gave me my best gains ever.

 

[JuicyJuggalo]

sounds interesting... never heard that though. Not saying you're wrong. I would think it would be the opposite, because with the shorter esters you get more actual hormone with each inject.

But, we're talking about nandrolone not test right? Nandrolone will aromatize, but it is so insignificant its rarely an issue.

What most forget is that increased prolactin will cause the same negative side effects that estrogen does. Hence blaoting, etc. This is why controlling prolactin during a 19nor cycle is so important as well.

No doubt, prop/ace esters release much more of the hormone for bio availability. Still sort of points to what I meant by prop/ace esters release so much of the hormone so fast (Compared to enan/cyp esters) LESS is converted into estrogen. I was referring to stacking two, short, 5day half-life ester compounds, IE testosterone propionate and nandrolone phenylpropionate each 100mg/mL.

Because you would not run NPP or ANY AAS compound alone without a form of test, besides any form of test (can stand alone).

So to control prolactin sides, pramipexole is the only option? I just dont know whats best protocol for prop... MY DIET has been on points since march and I did a 5month test e/tren a/wini cycle from april-september this year with diet almost flawless all the while. Got pretty noticeable face bloat/water retention and gyno flare early in that cycle SO I implemented Letrozol at 2.5mgs ED. Then I began doing peptides when I began post cycle therapy (pct) (having dropped letro at post cycle therapy (pct)) for that cycle so I've done very well in the area of retaining gains/fatloss. I started with deca 6yrs ago, and thats where I've noticed best gains/least sides so I'm thinking long and hard about every detail to be given it's just attention

 

[RJ]

No doubt, prop/ace esters release much more of the hormone for bio availability. Still sort of points to what I meant by prop/ace esters release so much of the hormone so fast (Compared to enan/cyp esters) LESS is converted into estrogen. I was referring to stacking two, short, 5day half-life ester compounds, IE testosterone propionate and nandrolone phenylpropionate each 100mg/mL.

Because you would not run NPP or ANY AAS compound alone without a form of test, besides any form of test (can stand alone).

So to control prolactin sides, pramipexole is the only option? I just dont know whats best protocol for prop... MY DIET has been on points since march and I did a 5month test e/tren a/wini cycle from april-september this year with diet almost flawless all the while. Got pretty noticeable face bloat/water retention and gyno flare early in that cycle SO I implemented Letrozol at 2.5mgs ED. Then I began doing peptides when I began post cycle therapy (pct) (having dropped letro at post cycle therapy (pct)) for that cycle so I've done very well in the area of retaining gains/fatloss. I started with deca 6yrs ago, and thats where I've noticed best gains/least sides so I'm thinking long and hard about every detail to be given it's just attention

interesting for sure. Well, if you like Deca and it works well, a prop/NPP cycle may be the cats meow. Only way to tell is try. Could be though that bloat WAS in fact from the 19nor and not the test. I would try the Prop/NPP stack since you have never done it. Have some Prami (I like Caber but never done Prami so can't comment on it) or Caber and go to town. Then maybe do an experiment with the LE nandrolone next year or whenever with a dopamine agonist as well. If you don't get the bloat and you have the same diet and water intake, you will know it was prolactin sides, then you'll know going forward it won't matter what ester you use (theoretically).

Me, i just hate SE gear cuz you gotta pin so much, but it is awesome stuff. Keep us posted JJ.

 

[FWMFSW]

For what i know, NPP is pretty safe for the hair, is that true? At least, is safer than tren?

Many of you consider it as a mild tren, how is the comparison regarding fat loss?

 

[TheMilkMan]

The mild Tren reference is off. It's nothing like Tren. I ran 125mg EOD of NPP, it was good and I liked the gains I made. Comparing it to God's Nectar is unfair.

Esters are simply a delivery mechanism, whereas the hormone is what is actually producing the bloat, etc... A common reason people feel they bloat more on long esters is because "typically" long esters are used for bulking, while shorter esters are used for "cutting". The diet change in cutting and bulking (carb intake, sodium intake, cheat meals, etc) are the real culprit.

 

[JuicyJuggalo]

For what i know, NPP is pretty safe for the hair, is that true? At least, is safer than tren?

Many of you consider it as a mild tren, how is the comparison regarding fat loss?

Well it all is just what you make it. Training/diet technique is what will make the difference between cutting and bulking. I don't like how bulking is accepted as gaining some fat also with muscle, if your diet is on point, you should never get fat no matter the compound utilized. If you use testosterone/derivative you have a DHT inflation because that's what the compound essentially turns into, then whats left converts into estrogen via aromatase enzyme. Winstrol is really the worst for balding issues. Just steer clear of wini if anything