Offering My Body To Science

[roccodart440]

To me a bridge is just a nice way of saying "i'm not comming off, i'm crusing etc. "

If I were to stay on i'd go to a Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) or cruise dose of test.

 

[bleachcola]

Everything is on hand. I'm going to run post cycle therapy (pct) just for the hell of it, to bring things up to normal. Then I'll be running 15-20mg of Oxandrolone in the mornings. A couple months into this I'll get tested to see if my body is producing testosterone at all. As studies have shown, production is inhibited. But I want to see how bad it is after a couple months. Results pending.

 

[Rokomuscle1]

Why not try the anavar later in the day?? In the morning is when you get your biggest boost of test..... just a thought...

 

[ManOfMuscle]

Good hustle Bleach, I'm considering the anavar bridge as well, how long do you think before this whole thing is said and done and the results are here to view?

 

[bleachcola]

Why not try the anavar later in the day?? In the morning is when you get your biggest boost of test..... just a thought...

Yeah, that's an issue I'm contemplating right now. I haven't quite decided whether to try out the steroid forum idea of taking your "bridge" drug in the morning to ride along the natural production of androgens in hopes to "minimize" or "prevent" shutdown, or whether to split up the dose since it has a short half life, or whether I should do something like you suggest and take it later in the day. I was leaning towards the morning routine, to test out the old school dbol bridge theory, but to further complicate the matter I work out late evenings usually. So I won't have the benefit of raised androgen levels during the workout. Throw in the decisions to be made about doing post cycle therapy (pct) and this is getting pretty complicated.

 

[bleachcola]

Good hustle Bleach, I'm considering the anavar bridge as well, how long do you think before this whole thing is said and done and the results are here to view?

2 - 3 months.

 

[Lucky13]

Test levels in the morning

I've borrowed this item from http://www.ironforlife.com, but it seems to think there is more then one spike of testosterone throughout the day.

Another interesting thing to note from the pulsitile data during adulthood is that you actually have three spikes of test release during the day. The common thought that it is highest in the morning is actually a misconception which is one reason I don't buy into the small d-bol bridge taken in the morning. This is my reasoning behind that idea being false.

I'm presently on Anavar (var) 20mg everyday, 10mg AM and 10mg PM, I find it really hard to believe it is suppressive, since starting Anavar (var) my sex drive has doubled, beard growth is equal if not slightly quicker.

I also plan on getting a testosterone levels test as I really want to prove if this Anavar (var) is inhibiting me on such a low dose...are these online tests reliable ?

http://www.androbalance.co.uk/Products/Products.asp?view=Male%20Hormone%20Test%20Kits

I can really feel the Anavar (var) at 20mg ED, if I was coming off a heavy cycle, I world certainly think it would help you bigger guys hang onto your gains....if it's not as inhibiting as stronger steroids on the cyle then maybe it would allow partial recovery of your HPTA.

 

[bleachcola]

Very interesting. And further complicates my decisions.

 

[ManOfMuscle]

I would take it about an hour preworkout.

 

[Lucky13]

Bleachcola if we both do the test that woud carry more weight...I'll put an order in tomorrow for a testerosterone test.

 

[ManOfMuscle]

Bleachcola if we both do the test that woud carry more weight...I'll put an order in tomorrow for a testerosterone test.

From what I understand Bleach was planning to do a full post cycle therapy (pct) and then get back on a bridge dose, you haven't done post cycle therapy (pct) yet correct?

 

[bleachcola]

Bleachcola if we both do the test that woud carry more weight...I'll put an order in tomorrow for a testerosterone test.

The more the merrier. There are some studies out there but they don't totally relate to the way we use the compounds. A lot of speculation floats around out there regarding shut down and bridging and what not (see: Ross on IFL). Many ideas are put to rest by the studies we have but some quesions are still left. That's why I want to be tested a full two months or so into the process to see if testosterone is still being produced.

 

[Lucky13]

Yeah I've read all of Ross's posts...I think he has a good point just wish he would back it up with more robust research and less assumptions.

 

[Lucky13]

I'm really surprised while bridging or tappering more people haven't done blood tests to see if they are still supressed while on supposed HPTA friendly steroids , would help alot of people from losing gains at the end of a cycle....I expect there are alot of people out there who don't ever come off...no one will ever post this as it's so frowned upon.

 

[ManOfMuscle]

I'm really surprised while bridging or tappering more people haven't done blood tests to see if they are still supressed while on supposed HPTA friendly steroids , would help alot of people from losing gains at the end of a cycle....I expect there are alot of people out there who don't ever come off...no one will ever post this as it's so frowned upon.

We don't talk too much about staying on because this site caters to the average recreational steroid user, however it's understood by most that "serious" pl'ers and bb'ers come off rarely if ever and do so only with hgh, igf, slin, etc.

 

[zeddaddy]

what are the main downsides to staying on low doeses as in HRT like 200-500mgs/week test. along with eq or something as mild as that. along with hcg to keep the boys at bay. for an extended peroid of time (year+)

 

[bleachcola]

what are the main downsides to staying on low doeses as in HRT like 200-500mgs/week test. along with eq or something as mild as that. along with hcg to keep the boys at bay. for an extended peroid of time (year+)

Prostate caner. Actually no one really knows. HRT has just recently blown up and there aren't many studies on long term anabolic steroid use. If it's just a year then you prob won't see any problems other than the need for an extended and more thorough PCT.

 

[bleachcola]

Update

Okay, wrapped up post cycle therapy (pct) yesterday. Came back surprisingly quick with clomid and aromasin. I usually run HCG but didn't this time. Just did 100mg clomid for two weeks followed by 50mg/day for two weeks. Took 12.5mg/day of exemestane for those four weeks as well. Will probably keep doing 50mg/day of the clomid for awhile -- just in case I experience a rebound from coming off the aromasin. But anyhoo, I didn't last the entire four weeks without touching the anavar. I started in after the second week. Ballocks came back to full size and I can definitely tell that my natural test production kicked back in. Protocol is to take 20mg about a hour or two before every workout, or first thing in the morning on off days. I cheat a little on chest day and up it to 40mg so that I can keep up with my training partners. Stacking and restacking weights gets very old, very quick when we bench. A couple months from now I'll get my blood work done to check liver enzymes, lipid profile, and to see if testosterone is still being produced. For the liver I am taking a supplement that includes Dandelion, Milk Thistle, TMG, NAC, and ALA. Also take an herbal detox tea everyday for general liver and kidney function. For lipids I'm taking fish oil, garlic, and a multivitamin heavy on the B-complex. Also increased consumption of olive oil. If lipids come back screwy, I'll hop on some niacin as well. We'll see.

 

[ManOfMuscle]

Thanks for the update. Will be awaiting results.

 

[Perfection Awaits]

Whatever happened with this?