Older guys on Tren?

[Beyoung]

how many cycles have you run?if less than 4 i wouldnt touch tren right now

with Primo,800mg/week is the sweet spot for most people

Thanks for the reply Bullseye. Fuc... It. How bad can 8 weeks be. I have some on order and will just run it. If I die at least I will go out knowing I got young chicks to start checking me out again at 50. Never thought it would happen. All the guys who are not used to it know the feeling. It's been like 15 years since I have had young " not old babes" check me out. Now even college chick shoot me looks. Really motivates ya to stick to a clean diet and look forward to the next workout!

Thank to all on this board I have learned allot but I will still ask stupid questions.

 

[Beyoung]

how many cycles have you run?if less than 4 i wouldnt touch tren right now

with Primo,800mg/week is the sweet spot for most people

To answer you questions are you just talking about general cycles? I have been on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) for two years. My test was normal for my age but I was tired of looking like shit and wanted an edge. I decided to ramp up my weekly cruise dose of around 200mg to 400 - 500 for one cycle and of course saw gains. Now I am 8 weeks into another blast so it would be two cycles I guess.

My plan all along was to get to the body I want then just cruise for the rest of my life. I hope I am not being unlrealistic to think that a cruise does can keep me where I want to be once I get there. Plus I was hoping the clean diet and cardio on a regular basis would stave off any negative effect from the gear.

 

[Zeek]

Be aware that tren also greatly increases red blood cell production. An older athlete taking tren should keep a close eye on their hemocrit to make sure their blood isn't getting too thick and possibly trigger a stroke. Additionally, Tren does elevate liver enzyme levels, which can lead to liver polyps (blood buildup). I've personally seen this issue come up for friends who just loved their tren.

We talk about the common sides like insomnia and insane sweating to the point of needing to change bed sheets at night. It trashes your skin when used for too long also. Are any of these sides a good thing?

The kidney damage is debatable since there isn't enough research done to prove it one way or the other.

I hate to always be the one talking about negatives when it comes to tren but I feel somebody has to paint the entire picture for someone who may search and read this thread later. I feel it is a bad choice for any guy over the age of 40 and it becomes down right reckless for anyone 50+ to be messing with it. If you have any pre existing heart issues it becomes even more dangerous to use this.

I'm done tren bashing but I want to emphasize that yes tren is an amazing steroid but you can also get to the same place tren will take you with other steroids and HGH and that road is the safer and wiser one from the older athlete.

I've used tren many times and loved it, I won't lie. Time passed and I saw bad things happen to the guys that used it a bit too much or too often.

In the end ask yourself what real need you have to take tren. Are you doing it to get on a stage with other old guys and sweep the masters class? Maybe you are considering becoming a pro bodybuilder at age 50? I didn't think so and neither do I. So if it is just about using it to look good you have other options out there that will get you there safely.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Be aware that tren also greatly increases red blood cell production. An older athlete taking tren should keep a close eye on their hemocrit to make sure their blood isn't getting too thick and possibly trigger a stroke. .

good post, keep in mind though if you look at the small scale study they did on tren for androgen therapy, you will see it actually had less of an affect on hemo than testosterone, it surpised me to find that out.

We tested the hypothesis that trenbolone-enanthate (TREN) might prevent orchiectomy-induced losses in muscle and bone and visceral fat accumulation without increasing prostate mass or resulting in adverse hemoglobin elevations.

http://ajpendo.physiology.org/content/300/4/E650.short

 

[Zeek]

Hey Det, did they mention the dosages they were giving these guys in that study?

It becomes such a drag going around donating blood. I know guys that do it themselves at home to keep hemocrit in check but I also know a few guys that passed on to the other pasture from doing that. Blood clots scare the crap out of me.

 

[Beyoung]

Be aware that tren also greatly increases red blood cell production. An older athlete taking tren should keep a close eye on their hemocrit to make sure their blood isn't getting too thick and possibly trigger a stroke. Additionally, Tren does elevate liver enzyme levels, which can lead to liver polyps (blood buildup). I've personally seen this issue come up for friends who just loved their tren.

We talk about the common sides like insomnia and insane sweating to the point of needing to change bed sheets at night. It trashes your skin when used for too long also. Are any of these sides a good thing?

The kidney damage is debatable since there isn't enough research done to prove it one way or the other.

I hate to always be the one talking about negatives when it comes to tren but I feel somebody has to paint the entire picture for someone who may search and read this thread later. I feel it is a bad choice for any guy over the age of 40 and it becomes down right reckless for anyone 50+ to be messing with it. If you have any pre existing heart issues it becomes even more dangerous to use this.

I'm done tren bashing but I want to emphasize that yes tren is an amazing steroid but you can also get to the same place tren will take you with other steroids and HGH and that road is the safer and wiser one from the older athlete.

I've used tren many times and loved it, I won't lie. Time passed and I saw bad things happen to the guys that used it a bit too much or too often.

In the end ask yourself what real need you have to take tren. Are you doing it to get on a stage with other old guys and sweep the masters class? Maybe you are considering becoming a pro bodybuilder at age 50? I didn't think so and neither do I. So if it is just about using it to look good you have other options out there that will get you there safely.

Are you kidding I am greatful for your post. I agree, some one has to share the ideas and talk about the things others don't.


Mabey I was wrong to think 8 weeks at a low dose of like 50 or 75g eod at my age wa a good idea versus other things. Since I am 8 weeks in I was wanting to stop the blast at 16 weeks and liked the idea that tren is effective for 8 weeks versus EQ which has to be run at 16 weeks.

So let me know some of your other ideas of things to add onto the test other then the tren and for how long if you would be so kind.

 

[Zeek]

If you don't have any existing health problems at age 50 and you really only plan to run a very low dose cycle of the tren you will most likely have no big issues other than the insomnia and night sweating. If you are one of those guys with an addictive personality I would also stay away from it

Now if your heart isn't 100% normal and healthy or If you have high blood pressure, high hemocrit or a compromised liver or kidneys then don't even think about it at your age. We aren't 25 anymore and our body is less forgiving of abuse than it was 20 years ago.

at age 50 low dose test + HGH with occasionally bringing in things like Primo, anavar, masteron etc will take you where you are going. Instead of riding the tren high speed train you will be coasting on a regular train at 70 mpg to get there. You still get where you are going if you follow me

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Hey Det, did they mention the dosages they were giving these guys in that study?

It becomes such a drag going around donating blood. I know guys that do it themselves at home to keep hemocrit in check but I also know a few guys that passed on to the other pasture from doing that. Blood clots scare the crap out of me.

Ive seen the full but cant remember where though, there were small doses though, testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) doses, for the tren.

anytime you get higher than a couple hundred MG a week eventually it will effect hemo, wether on test or tren or both.

im just saying that tren seems to be less of a problem for hemo than test, test DEF raises it for most, even on 200mg a week.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

also test usually effects hdl on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), at least thats what ive seen in the 40 or 50 cases ive been around.

so we know it will be affected on cycle.

 

[Bullseye Forever]

so one that has high blood pressure,high cholesterol and an enlarged heart shouldnt use tren? Even if he takes meds for all of the above?

 

[Zeek]

Bullseye I don't like the idea of you using tren, I've expressed that to you on several occasions. I like you and would like to be sitting here 10 years from now planning cycles together.

8 weeks of tren isn't going to kill you but a few tren cycles with your existing issues can surely cause problems! ask yourself my friend, what is it you are trying to accomplish by using tren. I can guarantee you that we can find an alternate route to the same place and leave the risks behind.

Leave this harsh compound for the young guys.

 

[Bullseye Forever]

Bullseye I don't like the idea of you using tren, I've expressed that to you on several occasions. I like you and would like to be sitting here 10 years from now planning cycles together.

8 weeks of tren isn't going to kill you but a few tren cycles with your existing issues can surely cause problems! ask yourself my friend, what is it you are trying to accomplish by using tren. I can guarantee you that we can find an alternate route to the same place and leave the risks behind.

Leave this harsh compound for the young guys.

well brother,i surely dont need anymore health issues for sure and i do not want to put anything in my body that will do that,im not really educated on tren,just what ive read on here and talking to several guys who have used it,now when i was a younger guy,my father used it at the ranch he managed with cattle,so i had a little knowledge of what it was used for,but not in humans.......also being a so-called novice user at 45,im just trying to find the right combination of compunds to get to where i wanna be

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Bullseye I don't like the idea of you using tren, I've expressed that to you on several occasions. I like you and would like to be sitting here 10 years from now planning cycles together.

8 weeks of tren isn't going to kill you but a few tren cycles with your existing issues can surely cause problems! ask yourself my friend, what is it you are trying to accomplish by using tren. I can guarantee you that we can find an alternate route to the same place and leave the risks behind.

Leave this harsh compound for the young guys.

i honestly completely forgot about his existing problems, sorry bullseye but I agree with Zeek, i would be careful doing anything but small doses of test and GH

 

[Bullseye Forever]

i honestly completely forgot about his existing problems, sorry bullseye but I agree with Zeek, i would be careful doing anything but small doses of test and GH

thank you Det for your honesty

 

[Zeek]

I hate to be the one to rain on parades , when I see high dosages of etc in other threads I avoid them not to be the downer. Us older guys have to look out for each other. I've done stupid things in relation to this lifestyle also and my check might still be out there waiting to get cashed.

I know a bunch of guys both on these boards and in real life that tanked their health by playing with high and crazy dosages of things or messing with the harsher compounds for just a little too long. I wish some of the ones I knew and know would post some. There are a couple of guys over on PM that are still active after using ruined their health.

I'm thinking here on what i can share without hurting the guys who got hurt or their families by what I say. I've seen people do crazy things in their quest for size or trophies.

One guy from my old neighborhood destroyed his heart. He was lucky enough to get a transplant and then he went on to destroy that heart also. He had a lot of exposure and some of you may know who I am talking about but I won't say out of respect. One of the nicest guys you could ever meet, a gentle giant. Yes that is an extreme case. A friend from the boards was on dialysis in his mid 30's before he passed away some years back he stuck around after the health issues and preached about abusing certain compounds, that man to me is a fallen hero. I could go on and on. But who am I to make an example of the fallen or guys who just had a bad draw on the cards in relation to their usage. Like I said above, I might be next.

 

[boattech51]

Can anyone help me? I am wanting to do a light cycle of some tren a and some anavar I am new at this and dont really knowwhat I should do. If i start out with 150 ml of tren eod how much anavar should I stack with it and should i keep my tren dose at 150 ml eod for ten weeks? Can some give me the day to day play by play of what and how I should do it. What should i do for post cycle. Help a rookie out Thank you