past AAS use at 17 and 19 yo..NEED help dont want to go testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) Route

[youngNDumb]

past AAS use at 17 and 19 yo..NEED help dont want to go TRT Route

Blood test says my total T is at 203ng/dl ..avg(220-1000)
FSH is 4.3 avg(1-10)
LH is 4.0 avg(1.0-7.0)
Getting free test and Estrogen levels checked soon.

I know taking gear at a young age was the worst idea I could have possibly made and I'm really feeling the sides from this rite now at the age of 20. Even though I had taken post cycle therapy (pct) both times..(just Nolvadex)
I feel I'm stuck in the worst place I could possibly be..I'm only 20 yo with possible hypogonadism and might have to be on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) for life.
I've read some threads about a Clomid restart cycle??and I'd really appreciate if someone with experience could help me out..

Is there a protocol that I could do to get my natty levels back to normal because I feel that testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) should be my absolute last option and I'm really not trying to be injecting myself for 50 plus years
My diet is very healthy now and I work out very hard. But it all seems to be wasted time because I am not getting stronger or building any muscle mass due too having low testosterone levels

 

[comrade00]

Info please.

What cycles were you on at 17 and 19, exactly what doses, how many weeks and what post cycle therapy (pct) and doses as well

 

[Mad- scientist]

You should talk to the guys in the testosterone replacement section and find out all the necessary tests you need to get done. Also If I where you I would look into the board sponsor Increasemyt.com. They seem to be very professional and I am sure they can help you if you have the finances to pay for it all. Also man I doubt you will have to go on testosterone replacement but lets say you did. Its not that bad at least you get top quality pharmaceutical testosterone for the rest of your life and if you want to be a bodybuilder who is in the top ranks that's something that is necessary. I understand how you feel but it's not all bad if that's the route you have to go. So don't get to down on your self about it all.

 

[youngNDumb]

I wish i could remember exactly..I was on 750 test E 250 DECA. I believe.. they were all injections . I really don't remember my exact dossages because it was being done by my gym "buddy"..and I literally put complete faith in this retarded dude.. and my post cycle therapy (pct) was Nova 20/20/30/30 I believe.. I'mstuck in a bad situation that i wish I had never got into..Iv lost libido and can barley have sex with my gf..I would like to know if there is any possible way to get these natty levels up..without testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) ..I've tried ZMA ,tribulas , d aspactic acid .but I know that this will only help a little bit

 

[Mad- scientist]

Your going to have to go to a qualified endocrinologist or a testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) doctor who can help get your body back on track with clomid, hcg, and other similar compounds. Honestly I wouldn't advise you to try doing it your self because you are not a doctor. So really the bottom line is go to a doctor who specializes in all this stuff I mentioned. That is the only answer you will get from people. And the other answers will most likely just be bro science and that is what got you in this mess to start out with. Every ones body's respond differentally to different drugs so one persons solution might not be another persons answer that is why I say go to a doctor. Because they will monitor with blood tests how you are responding and fine tune your body like a car to perfection.

 

[Mad- scientist]

If you feel like going with bro science be my guest though. There are smart people out there who are as smart as doctors on this forum but how do you know that is the type of guy you are getting the answer's from. There are also guys on here who are fucking complete idiots who have never touched steroids and are just trying to get their post count up and could care less if their information is right or wrong.

 

[youngNDumb]

I went to my endocrinologist today my friend..that's the reason I'm on this forum trying to find out if there's any alternatives ..because he seems like he knows nothing about what Im talking about. It seems like he wants to keep making me wait.. that's why I'm trying to get as much help from you guys as possible..I'm not doing anything SOLO..

 

[MustangDX]

Sorry to hear about your situation bro. I can see that you definitely learned from your past mistakes which has made u more mature and humble when it comes to AAS. I wish all the younger members on this site would learn from your experience before they end up in the same situation. I'm pulling for your bro, I have faith that everything for you will turn out ok. Good luck...

 

[miboleron]

Sorry to hear about your situation - I am on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), because of AAS use at 19. Considering your bloodwork you may have a chancne to recover. When LH and fsh are high, but your test is still low for weeks that is the worst situation. It means that no matter how much hormone stimulation goes to your tests, they just dont respond and testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) is the only option.
Now your PCT seems to be weak, considering on your cycle. My advice repeat PCT
1-2 Nolva at 40 mg per day divided at 2
1-2 clomid at 100 a day devided at 2 administrations
3-6 nolvs at 20
3-6 clomid at 50

DO some bloodwork when on PCT to see how you respond and 4 weeks after you have finished. Only then you will be sure if you are totaly f__ed or you may have a chance.

 

[jkr2020788]

Hey, Im just an RN, but I have a little advice:

1)When did you get your test level checked? (early am, afternoon, or night?)- Testosterone levels are highest in the AM upon waking up. Test levels can flucuate by up to 70% by evening time! Its amazing, but true. That statistic was from a website we use that is liscensed to the hospital where I work called "UpToDate"- VERY reliable info.

2) One of our ER MDs (who is a skinny mofo) took clomid (he knows nothing about AAS and PCT) to increase his Test levels. It worked for him, his levels are now middle-high. Really, any good PCT will raise your natural levels.

3)Make sure you are lifting good weight on larger muscles (Quads, chest, back) as that increases natural levels.

4) Watch porn, but dont jack off. Surprisingly, orgasms cause a drop in Test levels, but sexual stimulation increases it. (Human bodies are strange...)

5) Go to a different endocrinologist, an NP that I work with specializes in endo, and he sees steroid users all the time. Maybe your guy is 1 in a million-billion who isnt that great with AAS users.

 

[Rida5d]

This thread should be a sticky.. Not cuz it has an info that we could use on daily basis.. No not for that.. It's only for those young aged farts who keeps on doing the same mistake and even arguing with seniors..

To the op
I ll end this by saying what's done is done , I wish u good luck man , hoping that u can fix this screwed up situation.

 

[underpsi]

This thread should be a sticky.. Not cuz it has an info that we could use on daily basis.. No not for that.. It's only for those young aged farts who keeps on doing the same mistake and even arguing with seniors..

To the op
I ll end this by saying what's done is done , I wish u good luck man , hoping that u can fix this screwed up situation.[/QUOTE

thinking the same thing.. no disrespect to op or miboleron as we all make mistakes. just think the read might make other young guys think twice. understood you feel indestructible at the age anyway..

 

[Pancho]

If you were on deca it's possible that you have high prolactin levels, if that's the case then you need a dopamine agonist, like Pramipexole.

 

[youngNDumb]

Sorry to hear about your situation - I am on testosterone replacement therapy (TRT), because of AAS use at 19. Considering your bloodwork you may have a chancne to recover. When LH and fsh are high, but your test is still low for weeks that is the worst situation. It means that no matter how much hormone stimulation goes to your tests, they just dont respond and testosterone replacement therapy (TRT) is the only option.
Now your PCT seems to be weak, considering on your cycle. My advice repeat PCT
1-2 Nolva at 40 mg per day divided at 2
1-2 clomid at 100 a day devided at 2 administrations
3-6 nolvs at 20
3-6 clomid at 50

DO some bloodwork when on PCT to see how you respond and 4 weeks after you have finished. Only then you will be sure if you are totaly f__ed or you may have a chance.

So do you think that I should do that PCT again, even though MY Endo told me to stop everything for six weeks then go see him again for another blood test? Could that possibly make me even worse?
And when I come off the PCT ,will I keep natural levels or do they drop back after clomid and Nova cycle like you said? Thanks for the imput

 

[riprockwell]

I would look up a thread on this site by a guy of the name "cashout." I believe he did a system restart protocol. You might want to search for that. Again remember, Clomid can help raise your testosterone levels, but the main factor in recovery is time and allowing the body to recover. Again, there are some things you can change in your lifestyles to help that out. Cut out booze, bad diet, weed if you smoke it, etc. Most likely you will need to do a protocol consisting of Clomid and blast some Human Chorionic Gonadotropin (HCG) along with it. Good luck. If your levels are still low after that, I would get an MRI scan of your pituitary gland.

As for blood tests, I would test Total Test, Free Test, SHBG, DHEA, DHT, Estrogen, Cortisol, and a thyroid panel. People with thyroid problems generally have lower T levels as well. Good luck.

 

[hardtarget]

Re-run or DO a PROPER post cycle therapy (pct), use a testosterone booster. Keep your eating habits as HEALTHY as possible. DO NOT skip work outs!

 

[youngNDumb]

Re-run or DO a PROPER post cycle therapy (pct), use a testosterone booster. Keep your eating habits as HEALTHY as possible. DO NOT skip work outs!

Can u let me know what the proper post cycle I should be doing?? And where could I find .clomid And nolvadex?
Or whatever "supplement" for PCT that I need?
Thanks for your input..

 

[youngNDumb]

Also ..could me taking super DMZ 2.0 for a week 2 months ago with no pct and I also took about 10 pills of nolvadex about 2 months ago as well (I had some left over from my past AAS use).which was retarded as well.. but do you guys think I could be feeling affects from the super dmz2.0 with no pct..and the 8 pills of nolvadex I took? I took the nolvadex for only 5 days at 2 pills a day.. could I just be feeling the affects from that even after 2 months possibly..could that of made my test levels so low?

 

[KingBF]

sounds like you need to stop taking anything you can get your hands on and just go to a doctor. they will have the real answer

 

[MustangDX]

Can u let me know what the proper post cycle I should be doing?? And where could I find .clomid And nolvadex?
Or whatever "supplement" for post cycle therapy (pct) that I need?
Thanks for your input..

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