sorry mike, i was genuinely not directing a lot of that post directly at z, but in that attitude that people jump on anyone that comes posting what they feel to be genuine concerns.
as for my friend, you're right, he's not here to post, he doesn't hang on forums much, but he likes to hoard a whole bunch of random shit, most of which he'll never use. when i said he doesn't care, my point is that he doesn't care about the hassle. he didn't get it directly from z, and he didn't get enough to care. had he ordered a huge cycle worth or more, yes he probably would've contacted z. but he doesn't even know who z is.
and you think you know everything about everyone in this game. i can tell you i don't give a shit. i just won't take my money there again. and by there i mean somewhere i go that i'm not satisfied with some aspect of how they do shit or am more satisfied by someone else's way of doing shit. i'm not trying to "brag" or some retarded shit, but a few hundred bucks on gear that turns out to be underdosed or painful or just doesn't feel as good as something else or whatever.... i don't give a damn about that, i just chalk it up as a loss. i've dealt with some trash before (not talking about z!) and did nothing about it. it literally isn't worth my time worrying about it.
that, and for many years i didn't pay for any of my gear anyway, but that is beside the point.
i've never personally experienced major turnaround lags, lagging communication, or bunk shit from a few labs that i've dealt with consistently over the years. that doesn't mean they haven't had issues, it just means i haven't personally been the one to deal with them.
some sources get out there and put their stuff out to the public and do insane volume. in most cases this means the people that run the show have to distance themselves from day to day operations where it is actually made. plenty of labs in this kind of situation have had issues over the years with batches, cooks taking off, stealing, skimming, etc. etc. etc. so i understand that.
i'm NOT saying z is one of the worst ugls out there, again, most of what i was saying wasn't referring to z specifically, but to situations where issues occur. aside from his prices, and some things i've heard over the years on communication lagging here and there and some abnormally long wait times (bound to happen to A FEW people when you're moving tons of stuff to tons of people) i've usually heard very good things about the stuff itself, and about him as a guy running this sort of business.
don't get so offended. i'm not "attacking" z. i'm not angry at z. i do think all hype is retarded, and i think people jumping down anyone's throats who come around trying to get real help from real people for what they consider (they may be wrong) real problems is also fucking retarded, and THAT does piss me off.
if people can't be objective about things and handle themselves professionally, they should just keep their mouths shut. not referring to you mike, i can see how you misunderstood what i was saying and i was mixing it all together and wrote it on a thread talking about a lab you rep..... i'm just talking about the insta-flame that goes on so much when anyone says anything about certain people that isn't "oh my god this guy is fucking amazing holy shit fuck fuck fuck i'm cumming" type of thing.
and be honest, you see it every day. you can't say you don't.
you talk about everything i say being hogshit and about me having an agenda... i'm the least agenda-based person on these forums. holy shit man look passed your loyalty for a second. YOUR anger is what's apparent. i'm not attacking anyone except for the mindless sheep that jump on others.
i don't know all the specifics about what my boy did, but he said it was EP and the tests showed a significant drop at under 200mg per week after a month so he chucked it. wow.... that's insane.... no one would ever do that right? yeah i must be lying about this "friend" and his "gear" and him "not caring" because you know exactly what position every fucking person on this planet is in right? holy shit man get over yourself. i actually like most of your posts i've read but jesus you need to learn to read, and lighten up.
you're smarter than that post makes you sound. quit being so paranoid, the world isn't out to get z bro, you'll be okay. sky's not falling. z will keep pumping out quality shit, fixing issues that come up, and generally making the people who go with him happy. but every now and then, and more often than with other quality labs who don't do as much volume, shit will come up, sometimes warranted and sometimes like you pointed out, unwarranted.... and people will should be able to talk about it objectively.
