possible run....

[Coldworld]

I have everything i neeed for a run, but i wanted to get some opinions before hand...
30 yrs old
6'2 315 lbs, its not all fat, but im aware that i am carrying some extra weight, former offensive lineman, but anyway.....
about ten years of training, blood press stays around 120/80, blood tests are good to go, the physician actually told me that he cant find a medical reason to advise me to lose weight other than it being in my best interest, and described me otherwise as very healthy (cholesterol good, blood, liver levels, ect.)
ok.....i have gotten mixed answerrs on this so ill ask here as well.
test e 500/wk (2 pins) 12 wks
deca 300/wk (1 pin) 11 wks
dbol 50/day first four weeks
nolva 40/40/20/20-per week one week after last pin, i also have aromasin, milk thistle, and bromo for the deca

so.....here are the contradicting things i have ben told and researched..
--I need to drop a sig amount of weight before any type of cycle, it will be hard on my heart, and i will be doing myself a disservice
--Being heavy will not hinder any advantage of aas, as long as i have proper anti estrogen, and i will enjoy some good fat burning with my training
--holding some extra weight will actually be beneficial for a cycle as ill retain water, which is good for stregnth, and i can shed the water later
--being heavy will make it almost impossible to combat test sides....

--any first cycle should be test only, and i should not add the other compounds til a second or third
--that cycle is a good first cycle because the gains will be greatest, and i should respond well

see what im saying? so now my head is spinning. Just looking for some opinions on all i have discussed here, thanks

I am currently running clen looking to get down under 300, and start around november, tentatively of course.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

i think you should just run test. I mean you said it yourself you need to cut the fat.

i would run test @ 750mg at your weight though. and thats it. it will give you strength and endurance in the gym. allowing you to train more often, and harder. i shred fat on test, to a point then it stops. after that only cardio and limiting carbs will do.

i would take this cycle as a learning experience, and hit the home run on your next one.

the only reason people say your first is the best, is because the more muscle you put on, the harder it is to keep putting it on. you hit a wall with your diet, and even if its good at first, eventually you will have to keep a closer and closer eye on it. same goes for training.

just my 2 cents

 

[numba1scrapper]

I have everything i neeed for a run, but i wanted to get some opinions before hand...
30 yrs old
6'2 315 lbs, its not all fat, but im aware that i am carrying some extra weight, former offensive lineman, but anyway.....
about ten years of training, blood press stays around 120/80, blood tests are good to go, the physician actually told me that he cant find a medical reason to advise me to lose weight other than it being in my best interest, and described me otherwise as very healthy (cholesterol good, blood, liver levels, ect.)
ok.....i have gotten mixed answerrs on this so ill ask here as well.
test e 500/wk (2 pins) 12 wks
deca 300/wk (1 pin) 11 wks
dbol 50/day first four weeks
nolva 40/40/20/20-per week one week after last pin, i also have aromasin, milk thistle, and bromo for the deca

so.....here are the contradicting things i have ben told and researched..
--I need to drop a sig amount of weight before any type of cycle, it will be hard on my heart, and i will be doing myself a disservice
--Being heavy will not hinder any advantage of aas, as long as i have proper anti estrogen, and i will enjoy some good fat burning with my training
--holding some extra weight will actually be beneficial for a cycle as ill retain water, which is good for stregnth, and i can shed the water later
--being heavy will make it almost impossible to combat test sides....

--any first cycle should be test only, and i should not add the other compounds til a second or third
--that cycle is a good first cycle because the gains will be greatest, and i should respond well

see what im saying? so now my head is spinning. Just looking for some opinions on all i have discussed here, thanks

I am currently running clen looking to get down under 300, and start around november, tentatively of course.

..I assume your trying to loose weight seeing how your a big freaking dude? (lol, not a bad thing at all) The cycle that you just laid out is a MASS builder and probably the OPPOSITE of what you want. Dbol is gonna bloat you the fuck up and make you hold alott of water, deca will do the exact same thing, drop BOTH and you've got the perfect cycle ...You might not loose a ton of weight on the test cycle, but your LOOK will GREATLY improve becuase your turning all that fat into muscle. You will LOOK as IF you lost 10-20 pounds.

 

[Epic Ed]

This topic comes up a lot. Here are my general thoughts from another thread:

I understand the rationale behind not encouraging AAS usage if body fat is high, but I think people tend to get a little too dogmatic about using that as a defining measure of whether someone should or shouldn't run a cycle. Assuming someone has made a commitment to the diet aspect of the program, I don't see any reason why running a moderate dose of test ... wouldn't be beneficial to the weight loss program. Gaining muscle mass is conducive to burning fat. I'm not suggesting someone at 25-30% BF should run a cycle and ignore their diet, which I understand happens all too frequently and can put AAS users in a bad light (risks and side effects to the user aside). I'm just saying it's not a tragic error in judgement to be committed to losing weight while running a reasonable cycle. Those with higher body fat will have to keep a closer eye on blood pressure and estrogen related side effects. So be it. We're all adults making decisions to take risks to accomplish our goals and I personally think telling someone not to cycle simply based on a body fat percentage is painting with too broad a brush.

 

[Coldworld]

ok guys, i appreciate all the info, i dont want to be impatient and jump into it, but u kniow how it goes, i have this stuff sitting here, and am itching to get it going, and just want to make sure its safe, and a good thing to do. ill keep on with my good eating, and clen and will jump into it when i do manage to drop some of the extra. Just ready to join the darkside lol, never ran a cycle to this point.

 

[numba1scrapper]

ok guys, i appreciate all the info, i dont want to be impatient and jump into it, but u kniow how it goes, i have this stuff sitting here, and am itching to get it going, and just want to make sure its safe, and a good thing to do. ill keep on with my good eating, and clen and will jump into it when i do manage to drop some of the extra. Just ready to join the darkside lol, never ran a cycle to this point.

Bro, in the end your going to do what your going to do, but to be 100% honest with you, if your going to go with the dbol/test/deca cycle your going to look WORSE after the cycle is done. Your going to blow up like a balloon and the muscle that you DO have is going to be un-defined which is a side effect of dbol and deca. Dbol & Deca are both MASS steroids, people take these too steroids when they want to gain as much weight as possible. I never in my life have heard of anyone running dbol and deca and LOOSE weight. That would mean the cycle was a complete fail. Idk why you wouldnt want to go with var, wintsrol or tren which are all successful cutting steroids even though your first cycle should be JUST test anyway.


Again, in the end your gonna do what YOU want to do, but im just trying to look out for you... LOL, idk if your white or black, but when I reply to you knowing your stats I keep getting the big black image in my head haha.

 

[Coldworld]

thats really damn funny, cause my best friend is a little white guy (im black) and we get rob and big comments all the time!

The goal wasnt to necessarily lose weight with the cycle, im sure i would, im aware tht the dbo and deca are mass builders, my goal was for a first cycle to pack on more mass, and the follow up cycle was going to be a cut cycle with suustanon, and Anavar (var). My main question is what possible risks would i face from being so heave and running gear? im not that bamn big tho (not like big black)

Im not competing or anything, just looking to improve my look, and advance my training. I feel my training is good, my eating has greatly improved as well. Just an inquiring mind.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

if you think a test only cycle wont pack on some mass, your wrong. there are many many reasons to only do 1 compound on a 1st cycle. you def shouldnt run a progestin (deca) your first time around. they give you alot of the same side effects but the ancillaries used to combat them are completely different. if you do run into issues on your first cycle and you choose test and deca, your going to be clueless on what is causing them. and how to stop them.

regardless of your stats you should run a test only cycle. then do deca/test then cut.

it doesnt matter once you join the darkside you will have plenty of cycles to do what you want

 

[epoxy]

Personally I think you're better off to cut down on some body fat first, I think most will agree. You're a big dude, if you're big like Big Black then you are probably pretty strong too despite your weight. That being said, you can still do a heavy lift program that focuses on strength and building muscle, while losing weight at the same time. If you were to run anything I'd run test only. It will help with the accumulation of muscle as well as stop muscle loss from the cardio and dieting you'd be doing to lose some fat. So basically,

High protein/med carb/low fat diet
Heavy lift program
Lots of cardio on non lift days
Test only if you choose to cycle.

I can see how you would want to run Test honestly. I'm all about preserving muscle and it wouldn't be fun for you to lose all the strength you potentially have at your bigger size and end up feeling like an amorphous blob. I'd stay away from the Dbol and Deca though, you're already a big guy. Think about the extra water weight you'd be carrying from these drugs. I imagine your blood pressure isn't exactly in the good range at 315lbs, and it would spike up even higher on Dbol/Deca.

 

[Coldworld]

Personally I think you're better off to cut down on some body fat first, I think most will agree. You're a big dude, if you're big like Big Black then you are probably pretty strong too despite your weight. That being said, you can still do a heavy lift program that focuses on strength and building muscle, while losing weight at the same time. If you were to run anything I'd run test only. It will help with the accumulation of muscle as well as stop muscle loss from the cardio and dieting you'd be doing to lose some fat. So basically,

High protein/med carb/low fat diet
Heavy lift program
Lots of cardio on non lift days
Test only if you choose to cycle.

I can see how you would want to run Test honestly. I'm all about preserving muscle and it wouldn't be fun for you to lose all the strength you potentially have at your bigger size and end up feeling like an amorphous blob. I'd stay away from the Dbol and Deca though, you're already a big guy. Think about the extra water weight you'd be carrying from these drugs. I imagine your blood pressure isn't exactly in the good range at 315lbs, and it would spike up even higher on Dbol/Deca.

Heres the deal.....my BP is great, always around 120/80, i had a full health review recently for a reference to what i should avoid and what not, thats why i was considering the dbol and deca as well due to my optimal BP if that makes any sense, and also for the joint benefits of teh deca. I consider myself pretty damn strong, cant help but be strong after all these years of lifting. Just looking for that extra boost to compliment my training and eating, and solid advice to avoid me f==king up. Thanks bro.

 

[Epic Ed]

As I posted above, I understand people who express reservations about using AAS when over weight. That said, we're all going to react differently to AAS based on a lot of different factors, body fat being just one variable. I would say as long as you're aware of the potential complications that accompany a higher body fat % and you're willing to deal with the side effects and accept the risks, then there's nothing wrong with running a reasonable cycle of test cyp or test enath. You'll be at greater risk of high blood pressure and high E2 values while on cycle. Both can be mitigated with ancillary medications or cutting back on your dose -- or stopping altogether if necessary.

I would heed the advice of only running test, though. Other compounds complicate the potentials sides and leave you guessing at which compound is causing your problems.

 

[epoxy]

Heres the deal.....my BP is great, always around 120/80, i had a full health review recently for a reference to what i should avoid and what not, thats why i was considering the dbol and deca as well due to my optimal BP if that makes any sense, and also for the joint benefits of teh deca. I consider myself pretty damn strong, cant help but be strong after all these years of lifting. Just looking for that extra boost to compliment my training and eating, and solid advice to avoid me f==king up. Thanks bro.

Alotta people would say 3 compounds on a first run would be f==king up. You typically want to introduce them to your system one a time, because if there happens to be any kind of undesirable side effect, you can pinpoint which steroid is causing it, and deal with it accordingly. If you start on Test/Deca/Dbol and start to have problems, you're either just going to have to deal with it and feel like shit, and potentially screw up your health, or waste time and money screwing around trying to find out what is causing what. At the same time, on a first cycle, you can grow, a LOT, from just a good dose of test. I only started throwing in other compounds later down the road because I wasn't getting the massive gains I got from test after the first couple runs with it. You'll gain plenty off of just the Test alone. And if you are really in this game for the long run, you'll continue to cycle down the road and add new compounds and find which ones work the best for you, and which ones aren't worth a shit to you. I for one cannot use Dbol. My normal BP is 120/75. I can honestly say that Dbol can get my BP up as high as 135/95, it did on my last cycle using it and the high BP started giving me daily headaches. It also causes me to have puffy and itchy nips, even at an incredibly low dose. Different compounds will do similar things to different folks. Thats why we want to be safe and not jump into a first cycle introducing 3 foreign substances into our bodies that have never been there before.

 

[Coldworld]

Sounds solid.....
i have plenty on ancillaries as well......pretty much decided that i will just run one thing at a time, just throwin some ideas out there. so in that regard ill hit the test e....and save the sust325 for next round.

in regards to the ancills.....i have nolva and aromasin, and i was planing to not use on cycle unless needed.....nolva 40ed, or aromasin 25eod....or am i way off on this?

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

save the Nolva for PCT. or in case gyno gets completely out of control. start your aromasin dosage @ 12.5mg ED. and adjust accordingly.

 

[Teutonic]

Yup. Keep those sides at bay..what is your body makeup ? Especially in the pec/mammary gland..approx. bodyfat..?
Test w/aromasine like Oak stated..but mind you, test can feed the fat deposit s if an all around life style adjustment ain t made...
Yiu don t want cheat the aas with a caloric nutritional deficit..but don t want to NOT lose fat high rep sets..lot s of em..100 percent of ALL U GOT aerobic s and more circuit training..superset s ..anything to up the rpm s/pulse while lifting.. am aerobics...

 

[Coldworld]

lifestyle cange is a non issue, not like im just jumping into this without any discipline at all. Im carrying a good amount of bodyfat, between 20 and 30. i have the ancills due to the potential for the side effects becoming an issue, and i want to combat them peoperly.