Post Ostarine –*need help interpreting labs.

[satsumas]

Hi all. 33 year old male, 225lbs, beefy muscular, (plenty of fat).

My endo has had me on TRT for a long time, Axiron 3x/day. I've also used Test E in the past.

I used Ostarine 12.5-25mg/day for about a month, and felt some definite shutdown effects (libido mostly). Before ostarine, I was using anavar about 30-40mg/day mostly with the goal of visceral fat reduction (not sure it did much). Both of these were along with daily Axiron, 3x/day.

I stopped Ostarine last week, and have continued with the Axiron, and just got labs. Libido is still pretty weak. I am not a hardcore BB (I do HIT lifting (superslow) about 1x/week) nor have I done a real-deal cycle before, so need some HELP figuring out whether I need some PCT from the anavar+ostarine. (My understanding is fairly limited and would rather not spend hours researching). Here are my labs (labcorp) taken two days ago, about a week after ostarine. Remember I am still using Axiron 3 swipes a day:

Test, serum: 408 ng/dl
LH: 2.8
FSH: 2.0
Estradiol: 9.1

How do I interpret? Test is def a bit lower than it has been in the past. Feel best around 800-1000. LH and FSH don't signal "shutdown" to me, but would appreciate help? Estradiol seems OK?

Do I need any form of PCT? If so, what, and how to take? Libido is definitely shut down and I am fatigued. No morning anything, very limp. Small loads.

 

[Megatron28]

This doesn't make any sense. If you are taking exogenous testosterone, your LH and FSH should be at zero for all intensive purposes.

Your TT and E2 are both way too low.

Based on all of this, it doesn't look like your axiron is working for you anymore. Most guys do much better on injections for TRT.

By the way, when you are on TRT there is never a need for PCT.

 

[jozifp103]

im no expert on trt but i have done osta several times and it does lower total T production. However i'm pretty sure you can't suppress exogenous test lol. the fact that you even have lh and fsh means that the axiron is basically doing nothing. All im seeing is normal endogenous suppression from osta. My numbers post osta were similar.

 

[satsumas]

Oh, forgot to mention I pinned 200mcg of HGC 2 days before I got blood drawn...usually try to do 100-200mcg a week, but hadn't done it for over 3 weeks as I had been out of town.

Would that be enough to increase LH/FSH?

But yeah I also was surprised because past labs when i had been on axiron showed zero LH/FSH. Maybe the HCG actually did something? (And would that be enough to prevent shutdown? on either TRT or ostarine?)

OK, thanks for asnwering my question---no PCT if on TRT. Kind of thought that but didn't know if PCT did anything else besides affect T. Also taking adjunctive pregnenolone.

Concerned about downstream effects on other hormones if TRT is killing FSH/LH...right? Especially oxytocin, which doesn't really get talked about a lot here, but I tried oxytocin nasal spray a while back and it had really positive effects.

Basically you guys are saying no need for any PCT when on TRT because only point of PCT is to restart T?

 

[jozifp103]

well hcg stays active in your system for 5 days i believe so it would have still been in you when you got bloods. Hcg suppresses natural lh production so i would think your lh would show up <1. idk im confusing myself lol....i'll leave this to the pros

 

[Megatron28]

Agree. HCG is suppressive. It does not increase your LH or FSH.

And again, no need for PCT unless you want to try and come off TRT and get your Natty T going again. But you would most likely just be looking at hypogonadal levels again so why bother?

You should be most worried about your axiron not being effective. Have you talked to your doctor about this?

 

[satsumas]

OH wait, shoot, i forgot to mention i had started on amisulpride the day before, after a 2 week hiatus. Would the PRL inrease cause either low T or other odd numbers?