Prohormones at 19!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[DustinLee]

TBH, I don't see a company caring for people who buy their products, just money... M-sten is a very strong steroid, so an OTC PCT will do little to nothing. Probably best to take the antibiotic in that case. The vicodin and ibuprofen are dependent upon your pain tolerance, but I wouldn't try your best to refrain from them. Again, best if you order Aegis as well. It's expensive but your liver will write you a thank you letter haha.

If you are going to take my advice, I would continue on with your regular dosage of M-sten, whether it's 10 or 20mg.

Ummm then eat oats and rice as you don't need to chew them. Just eat and chase with water. Have olive oil and cocnut oil at fats. And for protein... I don't know. Use protein shakes and really try to eat some meats if you can. Cut them up and use the side of your mouth that didn't have a tooth pulled to chew it.

It's always liquid on research sites, you take it orally though so don't worry. Order it off RUI, I don't know how fast they ship as I never ordered from them but I've heard they are g2g from most everyone. Dose Torem 120/120/120/90/90/90/90 first week, then 60 next week, then 60 3rd week, and 30 4th week.

Best of luck. Hope I helped and I hope my advice will serve you well. Keep cool and carry on.

Why wouldnt you just dose 120 the whole first week? Thats what Ive seen a lot. Do you think erase could benefit from the added stress from tooth issues and inconsistent cycle as far as cortisol control? Does Msten aromatise more so than epi or halo?


To Myers- Just get your Torem like today. That is the most important bro!! get it in before you need to start it!!!

 

[meyers462]

Why wouldnt you just dose 120 the whole first week? Thats what Ive seen a lot. Do you think erase could benefit from the added stress from tooth issues and inconsistent cycle as far as cortisol control? Does Msten aromatise more so than epi or halo?


To Myers- Just get your Torem like today. That is the most important bro!! get it in before you need to start it!!!

I just ordered it, and it turns out they never cancelled the order fo my nolva and clomid and they are accpting mastecard so now i have 3 SERMS coming da fuck. And Msten has no conversion to estrogen

 

[DustinLee]

Cool deal, your estro levels can still heighten from the raised test levels on cycle and then be left high once you quit. But, just use the Torem at the dosage we showed and you should be fine. save the nolva and clomid for another cycle or sell that shit. You really should wait until 21 or older to start cycling anyway so you dont interfere with your growth.

 

[meyers462]

TBH, I don't see a company caring for people who buy their products, just money... M-sten is a very strong steroid, so an OTC PCT will do little to nothing. Probably best to take the antibiotic in that case. The vicodin and ibuprofen are dependent upon your pain tolerance, but I wouldn't try your best to refrain from them. Again, best if you order Aegis as well. It's expensive but your liver will write you a thank you letter haha.

If you are going to take my advice, I would continue on with your regular dosage of M-sten, whether it's 10 or 20mg.

Ummm then eat oats and rice as you don't need to chew them. Just eat and chase with water. Have olive oil and cocnut oil at fats. And for protein... I don't know. Use protein shakes and really try to eat some meats if you can. Cut them up and use the side of your mouth that didn't have a tooth pulled to chew it.

It's always liquid on research sites, you take it orally though so don't worry. Order it off RUI, I don't know how fast they ship as I never ordered from them but I've heard they are g2g from most everyone. Dose Torem 120/120/120/90/90/90/90 first week, then 60 next week, then 60 3rd week, and 30 4th week.

Best of luck. Hope I helped and I hope my advice will serve you well. Keep cool and carry on.

So should i start taking my ph's again now? its 7:50 pm already and i know i wont get all 4 pills in m body tonight

 

[DustinLee]

maybe just take half if you have been splitting them in two doses so far. Pick up normal dosing tomorrow

 

[meyers462]

maybe just take half if you have been splitting them in two doses so far. Pick up normal dosing tomorrow

well its already 10:00 pm here and i didnt see your post til now so it will be pointless cause i go to sleep soon so i'll start ack up tomorrow

 

[Conrad0032]

Why wouldnt you just dose 120 the whole first week? Thats what Ive seen a lot. Do you think erase could benefit from the added stress from tooth issues and inconsistent cycle as far as cortisol control? Does Msten aromatise more so than epi or halo?


To Myers- Just get your Torem like today. That is the most important bro!! get it in before you need to start it!!!

you can do 120 the entire first week but I've seen that more so on full on test e cycle post cycle therapy (pct). PH seem to be more mild. Either works. And yea erase would help cortisol and boost test on PCT.

lol... 3 serms nice man. They won't expire for a while I think so you can save them for a while or sell them as dustin said. Prob a better idea seeing how this cycle turned out. Research more big man. Seconding on taking half your dosage and pick up what you did tomorrow.

 

[DustinLee]

you can do 120 the entire first week but I've seen that more so on full on test e cycle post cycle therapy (pct). PH seem to be more mild. Either works. And yea erase would help cortisol and boost test on PCT.

lol... 3 serms nice man. They won't expire for a while I think so you can save them for a while or sell them as dustin said. Prob a better idea seeing how this cycle turned out. Research more big man. Seconding on taking half your dosage and pick up what you did tomorrow.

Definitely research and learn more bro. Take some time and be patient so that you can grow physically to your full potential and dont risk damaging your endocrine system. Sell your clomid and tamoxifene and just buy some more protein, mass gainer, creatine. Just learn learn learn and get some time under your belt before saucing or popping next time.

Youll be fine, glad you got on getting your serm asap though

 

[meyers462]

Definitely research and learn more bro. Take some time and be patient so that you can grow physically to your full potential and dont risk damaging your endocrine system. Sell your clomid and tamoxifene and just buy some more protein, mass gainer, creatine. Just learn learn learn and get some time under your belt before saucing or popping next time.

Youll be fine, glad you got on getting your serm asap though

Thanks guys i just have to wait for them to process tomorrow then ship out

 

[meyers462]

you can do 120 the entire first week but I've seen that more so on full on test e cycle post cycle therapy (pct). PH seem to be more mild. Either works. And yea erase would help cortisol and boost test on PCT.

lol... 3 serms nice man. They won't expire for a while I think so you can save them for a while or sell them as dustin said. Prob a better idea seeing how this cycle turned out. Research more big man. Seconding on taking half your dosage and pick up what you did tomorrow.

Hey my Torem will be in tomorrow it said when i looked at the tracking ID.But im confused on what to use to measure it out since its liquid..

My mom has needles for her diabetes and then i compared that to a dropper and im confused cause 1cc = 1 mL but the dropper thats at my house says .5 mL and its up higher then the syringe.. Im confused can you help me out cause i dont want to end up over dosing on this stuff by accident

 

[DustinLee]

It could just have a different inside diameter. Just go by what it says a ML is by the syringe. So if one ML is 60 mg of Torem then youll want 2ML a day for the first week, 1.5ML for the second week, 1ML for the third week, and .5ML for the fourth and final week. And if you want to just extra, get that Erase and dose starting your 3 week of pct with 3 caps first week everyday, 2 caps the next week, and 1 cap a day the last week.

 

[meyers462]

It could just have a different inside diameter. Just go by what it says a ML is by the syringe. So if one ML is 60 mg of Torem then youll want 2ML a day for the first week, 1.5ML for the second week, 1ML for the third week, and .5ML for the fourth and final week. And if you want to just extra, get that Erase and dose starting your 3 week of pct with 3 caps first week everyday, 2 caps the next week, and 1 cap a day the last week.

Thanks man, now i know i take it orally. Can i mix it with something or should i just take it how it is? And should i get blood work after my pct?

 

[meyers462]

Oh yeah, one more question. I want to come off the prohormones ASAP because i dont want my body to shut down more then it is already. So would i be able to start the PCT tomorrow and if so should i still dose the same as if i did a 4 week cycle? I don't want to shut down more then i am already. What's your opinion because i am only 19, should i just finish the 2 weeks left or stop now and i still can't eat properly i droped from 161-156 in 5 days cause of that tooth extraction. My only concern is getting my test back to normal and not getting gyno.

(Haven't drank alot of water either cause it hurts, maybe 1 bottle)

 

[Conrad0032]

Just finish the cycle. Gain back the weight you have and keep training hard. Least that's what I'd do. Be kinda pointless to run a 2 week PH/designer steroid cycle. You won't be shut down much more regardless. Man up and drink water, you need water, especially on a oral cycle. Figure out how to eat, please. It can't be that hard man.

 

[DustinLee]

Just finish the cycle. Gain back the weight you have and keep training hard. Least that's what I'd do. Be kinda pointless to run a 2 week PH/designer steroid cycle. You won't be shut down much more regardless. Man up and drink water, you need water, especially on a oral cycle. Figure out how to eat, please. It can't be that hard man.

Agree^^

You are going to have to overcome the discomfort of eating and drinking and do it. Take them until you are done. Agree that you won't shut down much more, but that is always a possible issue. It will level out when you get your system back in balance. You can mix the torem in juice. Just take it like a shot mixed in juice and maybe have a chaser. You need to stay consistent with diet and training and hydration until pct, and then, stay consistent with post cycle therapy (pct). Simple instructions, so follow them. Remember Conrad had said the D-AA (D Aspartic Acid) can help boost your test too with post cycle therapy (pct). You can be finaflex test on Amazon for under $20. Take that with the 120-90-60-30 Torem dosing.

 

[DustinLee]

Also the drop in weight could just be a dehydrated amount. You'd be surprised how much weight can fluctuate with water in your body, even in a day or fews time.

 

[Conrad0032]

Also the drop in weight could just be a dehydrated amount. You'd be surprised how much weight can fluctuate with water in your body, even in a day or fews time.

^ Definitely. You won't drop 5lbs in 5 days unless you aren't eating AT ALL and have a caloric requirement of 3500. It's just lack of food in your stomach and water. Get back to work man!!! Lift lift lift ;D

 

[meyers462]

^ Definitely. You won't drop 5lbs in 5 days unless you aren't eating AT ALL and have a caloric requirement of 3500. It's just lack of food in your stomach and water. Get back to work man!!! Lift lift lift ;D

Thats what im going to do! But i was only eating like 700-1200 cals a day the past 5 days but now im getting back on track starting tomorrow. I already drank some water and started eatting again to get things rolling. Prob gonna get 2.2k in before bed but starting tomorrow i will be back to consuming 3190 and stacking the weight back on. Should i take the creatine i have to or just wait and use that on pct?

 

[meyers462]

Got back in the gym today and weighed myself and did a bf % test. I lost 2.4% bf im now 12.6% bf at 156 lbs. I was 15% at 161. I kept all my muscle so im happy about that i also kept all my strength

 

[Conrad0032]

Got back in the gym today and weighed myself and did a bf % test. I lost 2.4% bf im now 12.6% bf at 156 lbs. I was 15% at 161. I kept all my muscle so im happy about that i also kept all my strength

so you seem to be on track, very nice! I would save the creatine for PCT if you're off it right now.