I've having a hard time figuring which side of the fence your on bro. They are cheaper but some of them can give bad sides (mainly liver toxicity), some users on this site would go as far to say that PH's are 50x harder on your liver than dbol or other 17a steroids. I often hear alot of users say they lose alot and in most cases all the weight they put on. First PH I ever used was supervol by CTD. Makes some awesome gains on it, definatly changed the composition of my body and gave my build a completly different look. Lost about 5 of the 10-12lbs I put on and failed to do a proper post cycle therapy (pct) which has prolly taken a couple years of my dicks life. With that being said; PH's are much harder on your natty test levels and are harder to recover from. I'm with you on the otc thinking bro, but adding 50lbs to a lift over a 6month peroid could of been done EASILY with propper training I wouldn't give all the credit to what it was you were taking.
I lot of the negative hype around OTC steroids stems more from retarded users then anything else. Look over the common statements about otc steroids.
statement #1
"aaawww they are usless. just use real steroid "
Lots of people don't know the difference between the ones that are "active hormones" and need no conversion, and the ones that need conversion.
You will see some one ask about a product like that has superdrol in it and the first thing some meat headed juicer will spew out of his mouth is "aaawww just use real steroid"
The Guys been taking juice for years and thinks he knows something about steroids lol.. Yet with that one statement proved beyond a shadow of a doubt he don't know his ass from his elbow.
So the first thing one must do is get a little working knowledge about about steroid nomenclature which more then half the steroid users who think they know it all hardly know anything about at all. Thats step one.
statement #2 "there so harsh on the liver and or lipids"
You will hear this one slang many different ways. Backing it up with ya it killed my lipids I got test done. Some one will say ya I hear it all the time some one got sick from taking it. Another couple of medical cases were reported about this guy or that guy getting liver problems that he had to go to the hospital for. This that and blah blah blah .
Lets stop and look at the facts.
A. Most oral steroids are hard on the liver and or lipids.
B. If used improperly any oral steroid can cause some big time damage. Over dosing, not getting blood tests,going out drinking,not taking the right support supplements on and on and one. Lack of knowledge=fail and thats the same for any steroid cycle of any kind.
C. OTC steroids are "main stream" and you bet your ass they are out selling UG oral steroids by such staggering margins it would make your head spin!!!
And take a big guess who's hands the majority of these otc steroids are falling into? YUP Under educated ill informed retards. coupled with the fact that most so called board vets shun them (more so because they don't understand them) and when some one asks for advice about how to use them everyone ether bashes them for asking or sits there with a dumb look on there face.
So its no wonder you here way way more about the side effects and the horror stories behind these compounds. Billions more peoples using them with not even half the knowledge.
which leads us to step 2. Start respecting the damn things for what they are. Oral steroids!!! Learn how to use them. If some one is not willing to show you how move on and find some one who will.
statement #3. often the second to last statement made when trying to discredit otc steroids. The person is scrambling now and that last final statement is on the tip of there tongue but they will try this one first.
" Oral only cycles suck, most people lose a lot if not all of there gains"
Correct!!! most people do because most people when they did there first oral cycle were new and retarded and knew nothing. O sure you will get some dude swearing to god he knows everything about steroids and he just did a all oral cycle and lost everything. HA then I guess he really didn't know as much as he thought he did then did he?
I got a few questions for anyone making this statement.
Q. What is the difference between muscle gained well taking orally administered hormones and muscle gained well injected hormones?
A. nothing but administration method thats it. The muscle is there and its muscle any way you slice the cake.
Muscle is muscle is muscle is muscle!!! Once it is there and muscle sitting on top of your bones its muscle. How you got it makes no damn bit of difference. Yes if you are talking about bloat then that is a different story.
Of course here is always the "its to short of a cycle so that is why you will lose the gains" Give me a brake!!! same guy will then go do a 6 week test-prop cycle and think nothing of it loolol...
Once the muscle is there keeping it has has to do with recovery that is it. The only reason you will lose all or most of it is because you did not plan a good recovery method.
Not how long you were on. Not how the drug was administered, nothing but the recovery method is to blame.
statement #4 they always save the best for last.
" Well well I like to stick to the tried,tested,true steroids. Ones that have been tested for years and we all know work and know what to expect for gains and sides. Who knows what these things do?"
Well its pretty clear the guy saying this don't ha ha.
It was not more then 80 years ago the first Steroids were invented accidentally in the 1930s. And it was not till 30 years later in 1963 when they become a part of bodybuilding. That is only 50 years ago. Now they did not start off with all the steroids we now have to day. They started out with a huge ass needle that you used to jam a pellet into your body. Over time different kinds of steroids where invented and different methods of administration as well. Some in the 50's some in the 60's and even 70"s
During this time many that were invented never made it to the medical market but no matter. Even the ones that did have not been around that damn long. Not to long ago the medical community refused to even admit that steroids could even be used for bodybuilding and they are still more in the dark then the avg steroid user.
Some one before you had to be the first to use the steroids you are using now and I am willing to bet he didn't give to flying fucks about what the medical journal of shit bag ology had to say about it.
Nowadays we know A hell of a lot more then we used to though. We know the chemical structure of steroids and from this we can pretty much make a damn good guess as to what kind of results and sides are going to come from it. We also have the internet with so much information at our fingertips it boggles the mind.
If you want to get technical over the last year or two the OTC steroids have been used more then Ug's have. So we sure and hell got the
tried part down pat. People have reported getting a lot of gains from them, even reported keeping them, and we know from nomenclature that they are in fact a steroid so we looks like we got the
true part down pretty pat too.
Leaves us with just the
Tested I guess. But hey we got billions of test subjects out there already, there have been some medical studies as well and from nomenclature we can make some pretty good judgments on them.
So the real problem is simple lack of knowledge. That is the rout cause of all the problems surrounding them.
