Proposed cycle

[SevenEleven]

Not wanting to gain any weight - recovery and endurance are goals.

200mg ew of EQ
120mg ew Test E
Var 30mg daily.(not necessary?)

Would this fill my needs? I really dont want to gain any water weight.

Still tossing around ideas. Test wasnt on the radar but I really would prefer not to be lethargic, and would like to keep libido.

Thanks

 

[estray]

I would keep the Anavar (var) out unless your looking to add strength too.

 

[big12]

A lot of guys are probably going to disagree with this cycle, and I am one of them. The doses you have are so low that I don't think any results (even for a first timer) will be visible. You also didn't say how long you plan to take any of these compounds, or provide any background info like height, weight, age, body fat percentage, cycle experience.

And if your goal is to gain no weight whatsoever, then you probably shouldn't be using steroids in the first place.

 

[zephyrdaz]

A lot of guys are probably going to disagree with this cycle, and I am one of them. The doses you have are so low that I don't think any results (even for a first timer) will be visible. You also didn't say how long you plan to take any of these compounds, or provide any background info like height, weight, age, body fat percentage, cycle experience.

And if your goal is to gain no weight whatsoever, then you probably shouldn't be using steroids in the first place.

I agree with big12 on this, we need stats, training history and your age and the dosages your porposing will do nothing but shut you down and you will gain nothing from it.

Steroids are probably not the way to go for you

 

[estray]

Did either one of you read the first line of the original post?

EQ at low doses is great for increasing RBC which greatly increases endurance. Theres even a formula on how much you need to take based on bodyweight, ill see if i can find it somewhere. The test is obviously just a replacement dose so hes not on EQ alone.

 

[zephyrdaz]

No I didn't sorry Estray.

Still would like to see stats and age before recomending anything though, wouldn't you say?

 

[SevenEleven]

Hi sorry for the late reply, thanks for the input.

I am 35. 180lbs guessing around 10%bf (abs are visible) Have been training since I was a teenager.

I am looking to gain speed, endurance some strength and recovery. I am an MMA/Sub wrestling athlete so weight is a big concern. Testing is not an issue for a while so long esters like EQ are ok.

I have gotten some advice from what I believe is a good source to run:

EQ 200mg EW
Var 20mg daily
for 10 weeks

I have been doing lots of reading and of course I hear about the benefits of adding test to every cycle. I believe it was a post by JayC that said something to the effect of "our bodies run on Test, you take that away and there could be problems" this makes me rethink what I was told about the EQ/Var cycle. Test makes me cautious because of the water weight gain.

Thanks again.

 

[jonk430]

Low dosages.... I am not sure what you are trying to do with this cycle..... Seems like a waste of time to me.

 

[g1234]

Why do you make it so complicated if you dont want gains. Boldenone will probably make you gain weight, just by the increase in appetite it brings

I would go for primobolan if you can get it or anavar alone .. wont put water, will help recovery, strengh, etc. and almost no sides..just my opinion..

 

[dialtone]

g1234 is right in saying your appetite will grow, im on 500mgs/wk eq and im doubled over every hour from hunger and im eating well above 5kcals. at first your doses looked ridiculous, but after estray reinforced your intentions, i think your doses are adequate. and the red blood cell increase is certainly an advantage of eq you would be interested in. But in my opinion, eq doesnt blow you up, even at high doses eq doesnt load a bunch of weight on you. i would consider upping your doses just a tad to like 300 eq/wk, 250 test/wk. i really dont think you'll put much water or weight. and if you have the money, absolutely throw anavar in there.

 

[SevenEleven]

Thanks again for all the informative responses. Still weighing everything over.

detone01 are you running EQ solo? or stacked?

I noticed on a "popular online store" that they have some prepackaged kits - there is a no-test one that has pro-v in it with eq and Winstrol (winny), and another that they call speed and strength that is very similar minus the pro-v and shorter cycle. So is there any merit to running eq with Winstrol (winny) or Anavar (var) without test?

I hope that isnt against the rules.

 

[SevenEleven]

My source has Test - C available anytime. From my understanding it is a suitable substitute for Test E?

Thanks

 

[GymLift]

EQ at low doses is great for increasing RBC which greatly increases endurance.

Testosterone increased RBC count as well, but even still, my endurance seems far worse when on cycle.

And gear doesn't help recovery.

 

[GymLift]

Think of EQ as testosterone-light.

 

[SevenEleven]

Think of EQ as testosterone-light.

This is what I originally thought.

So in your opinion Test is not necessary? Or would you add low dose test due to the smaller amount added through EQ and the unavoidable shutdown?

 

[Warmachine]

ive known fighters that thought very highly of eq. my strength and my cardio endurance goes way up on cycle but i usually use tren and test. i think your cycle will give you what you want. be careful with the Anavar (var) though, i would drop it to 20mg a day and see how it goes. i got really gnarly pumps on it and that could effect your performance. if you have problems though you can quit taking it and they will dissapear quickly.

 

[estray]

Testosterone increased RBC count as well, but even still, my endurance seems far worse when on cycle.

And gear doesn't help recovery.

My understanding is that EQ will do this more effectively than test, mg per mg, therefore allowing a lower dosage to be used while still getting the drastic results.

 

[SevenEleven]

ive known fighters that thought very highly of eq. my strength and my cardio endurance goes way up on cycle but i usually use tren and test. i think your cycle will give you what you want.

Thanks glad to hear that.

Did you mean this one?
EQ 200mg EW
Anavar (var) 20mg daily
for 10 weeks

or the first post that had test in it?

I have done Anavar (var) at 40mg ed alone and liked it, but I can see what you are saying about the pump. I def. plan to run it at 20mg. nice to know that it can be dropped if it is a problem. Can Test be added as easily?

 

[dialtone]

im not running eq by itself, im running eq @500/wk and test e @500/wk. you should definitely throw test in there man, and im not just saying that because everyone on this forum says that no matter what the question is. i hate the bloat and the sides of test, but it really is necessary for real gains as well as a reasonable personal well being. and you should really run eq longer than 10 weeks, its a very slow and steady drug. but honestly, eq is a great drug no matter how you run it, there are just smart ways and less smart ways to do it.

 

[phluxx]

When people say their endurance is up, are you talking just muscularly or cardio/breathing as well? I find I can't run for shit since I've started.