Proviron. Does it have a use??

[rocko419]

cap I'm not saying you even wrong. And you do have a point about one says one thing and another says onother thing. Maybe the mod's need a scripted log that they all read from when giveing advice so now it will be consistent with one an other. Or maybe we add up the mod's responces and count the ya's and na's and majority will rule. Boy you like to make an argument even more then I do. Good for you cap..

 

[capospo]

cap I'm not saying you even wrong. And you do have a point about one says one thing and another says onother thing. Maybe the mod's need a scripted log that they all read from when giveing advice so now it will be consistent with one an other. Or maybe we add up the mod's responces and count the ya's and na's and majority will rule. Boy you like to make an argument even more then I do. Good for you cap..

LOL, it's really not about making an argument as it's more about having the correct answer and consistancy. Trev is so quick to bash me for the information I got from another Vet and MOD. My point is, I posted the thread I got the information from and never said it was my personal experience. Rather than bash me, why doesn't he bash his counterparts if he disagrees? Good question isn't it? He's worried about the newbies getting wrong information but I'm relatively new myself and I want the right information as well. Basically, someone is being led astray and many more will be as well. Like you said, add up the yes's and no's and what do you have? Basically you are at the same point you were before you asked your question which means you either guess on which is correct or you try it for yourself and see if it works. At least in this case you'd have to. That's my only point dude. Some questions are easy to answer and some are a matter of opinion and really, I think Proviron may fall into that category. Maybe it don't work for everyone but I sure as hell hear a lot of positives about Aromatase inhibitor (AI) effects it has from people on this very board who have been around for a while and then others who are completely opposed. Anyway, it seems to be a moot point and my answer to anyone would be to try it and if it don't work, then you have your answer on it's effectiveness. Peace!

 

[rocko419]

The only salution I can see on this hole thing is I think you and Trev need to box..Lol
cap I seen your pic and although some might find you to be a catch your not exactly
a monster and even though I never seen Trev I have to beleave the odds would say he has to be much bigger then you so be carefull.

 

[capospo]

The only salution I can see on this hole thing is I think you and Trev need to box..Lol
cap I seen your pic and although some might find you to be a catch your not exactly
a monster and even though I never seen Trev I have to beleave the odds would say he has to be much bigger then you so be carefull.

I'm a lover, not a fighter Ha ha... really though. The last I checked this was a forum and not a boxing ring but I can understand with all the testosterone floating around in here. Anyway, I don't see Trev as a jerk or anything like that. I just ask for some consistancy around here. The vets and MOD's are here to be helpful. If someone is giving out bum information, then address the source it came from and not the newbie who got it from him. Everyone has to start somewhere and every single day we all see the amount of people who come here for answers. We are all in this game together and should care about the right answer getting out and supporting each other. If you really don't have scientific evidence to support your opinion, then a simple "IMO" is in order and leave it at that.

 

[Trevdog]

Dude, let it go already. I remember in the early days I would get really annoyed when some of the vets/mods would get really pissy when somebody challenged them on something or posted one of the old questions that gets asked a million times. Then I find myself doing it. Its like you think your parents are such kooks when you're growing up and then you end up acting like them.

I have spent a LOT of time on proviron because the myth that it is an anti estrogen is one of the biggest myths in bodybuilding. One of the reasons for that is the profile that you cut and pasted (incidentally it is considered bad form to quote someone else's work without indicating you go it elsewhere). That profile is well written and sounds very credible. Unfortunately it is wrong, and that is dangerous. So when you cut and paste that and I have to correct it (again) and you come back at me (and SC) with an attitude "sorry that's just your opinion", then I'm mad and I have to spend still more time on the subject. So that, in a nutshell, is why I hammered you. I'm sorry.

 

[rocko419]

Dude, let it go already. I remember in the early days I would get really annoyed when some of the vets/mods would get really pissy when somebody challenged them on something or posted one of the old questions that gets asked a million times. Then I find myself doing it. Its like you think your parents are such kooks when you're growing up and then you end up acting like them.

I have spent a LOT of time on proviron because the myth that it is an anti estrogen is one of the biggest myths in bodybuilding. One of the reasons for that is the profile that you cut and pasted (incidentally it is considered bad form to quote someone else's work without indicating you go it elsewhere). That profile is well written and sounds very credible. Unfortunately it is wrong, and that is dangerous. So when you cut and paste that and I have to correct it (again) and you come back at me (and SC) with an attitude "sorry that's just your opinion", then I'm mad and I have to spend still more time on the subject. So that, in a nutshell, is why I hammered you. I'm sorry.

Wow Trev that was frekin Beautiful Bro. And on that note....

 

[capospo]

Dude, let it go already. I remember in the early days I would get really annoyed when some of the vets/mods would get really pissy when somebody challenged them on something or posted one of the old questions that gets asked a million times. Then I find myself doing it. Its like you think your parents are such kooks when you're growing up and then you end up acting like them.

I have spent a LOT of time on proviron because the myth that it is an anti estrogen is one of the biggest myths in bodybuilding. One of the reasons for that is the profile that you cut and pasted (incidentally it is considered bad form to quote someone else's work without indicating you go it elsewhere). That profile is well written and sounds very credible. Unfortunately it is wrong, and that is dangerous. So when you cut and paste that and I have to correct it (again) and you come back at me (and SC) with an attitude "sorry that's just your opinion", then I'm mad and I have to spend still more time on the subject. So that, in a nutshell, is why I hammered you. I'm sorry.

Dude, I let it go a little while ago but others keep bringing it up. You made your point and I made mine so I agree, let it go. The moral of the story is if you've got varying opinions about something, try it and find out for yourself if you can't find a solid answer you are comfortable with. I have nothing else to say on this subject. Peace!

 

[Trevdog]

Dude, I let it go a little while ago but others keep bringing it up. You made your point and I made mine so I agree, let it go. The moral of the story is if you've got varying opinions about something, try it and find out for yourself if you can't find a solid answer you are comfortable with. I have nothing else to say on this subject. Peace!

I have something else to say on the subject:

REGARDLESS OF WHAT CAPOSPO OR ANYBODY ELSE SAYS OR DOES, DO NOT 'TRY OUT' PROVIRON HOPING THAT IT WILL PROTECT YOU FROM GYNOMASTIA. Get some arimimidex, aromasin, letrozole, or nolvadex before you start using aromatizing steroids - proviron is not an acceptable substitute.

 

[nightprowler]

Another thing though : I have read that taking proviron by itself does not "work" to build muscle. It sounds logic according to the explanation in the drug profile. But in different articles the author also posted studies to refute the reverse effects of proviron taken on its own. Is it actually true that mesterolone only substitutes the lack of androgens (for whateva reason) ? Or could you just take it out of a cycle on its own and still benefit from it ?

 

[neptunoprofundo]

my experience so far with Proviron

On this coming Monday, 10/19/09, I will be on my 6th week of an 11 week stack 500mg sustanon/500mg boldenone undecylenate/50mg PROVIRON as an AI...

To date, I am experiencing no noticable estrogenic side effects... I have gained ~10 lbs and I am lean/hard and gaining strength quickly now. I train in the gym 1 1/2 hours, 5 days/week and bicycle 40 miles a day, 5 days/week also... obviously I'm not trying to gain mass, just strength & endurance... I have decreased my bicycle lap time by 15 minutes, actually breaking my lap record 10 years ago, I am 50 years old and riding like a 30 year old.

In prior cycles which I haven't done for 7 years, I never had trouble with Gyno (not the only thing that I judge estrogenic sides from) So I may not necessarily be prone to this. I had f....d up with no post cycle therapy (pct) in my first cycle, so I know the value, Catabolism is a bitch...

I am still studying and came across this post and feel that I may shed some light, although without blood work, not reliable in Mexico, on this subject...

To date, the Proviron seem to be working as an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) (Aromatase inhibitor), at least I am hard, muscles & dick (actually reduced the Proviron to 37.5mg/day because of excessive wood) but have some testicular atrophy that I plan on reversing with HCG (+ Nolva if symptoms occure), starting in 5 weeks, 1 week before the end of my cycle, low dosis 250-500iu, for 3 weeks. Rest for 5-6 days and begin post cycle therapy (pct) for 3-4 weeks with probubly just Nolvadex.

So, up until Hcg/maybe Nolva use, I will be the ginny pig for estrogenic effects... That's another 5 weeks on the current regime... Nolvadex on hand of course...

Sorry if there has been further discovery on the Proviron-AI myth... but I haven't found it... Comments are welcome!

 

[neptunoprofundo]

Thanx Ozzy, yup, read that one and serveral other posts on many sights before I started my stack, that's why I chose Proviron, it seems to get 5 birds with 1 stone... 1) mild Aromatase inhibitor (AI), 2) amplifies testosteron, 3) androgenic-hard/vascular muscularity, 4) keeps up the yin-yang, 5) low toxicity...

Maybe I should ask what week estrogenic side effects normally would become noticable in a weekly stack of 500mg sustanon/500mg boldenone only...

 

[neptunoprofundo]

Just a follow up note: I discontinued Proviron on 10/31 because I was bordering on high blood pressure and tappered in arimidex at .5mg/day to finish my weeks 8-11 1 gram Sus/Eq stack...

For what it's worth, I had experienced no estrogenic sides while using the Proviron as an AI...

However, the last 3 weeks I added in Stanozolol in the form of Stanabol-Tek* from an UGL in Mexico at 30-60mg/day at the same time starting HCG Sub Q at 500iu/day for 10 days, reducing to 250iu/day for 5 days and upping to 750iu/day for 3 days, then 750iu/EOD for ~1 week & yesterday 1,500iu and noticed 1/4" round ball under both nipples ~1 1/2 weeks ago, upping arimidex to .75mg and then 1mg... I am tappering off the Arimidex and starting PCT below on 12/13:

Day 1 - Clomid 200mg + Nolvadex 40mg
Following 10 days - Clomid 100mg + Nolvadex 40mg
Following 10 days - Clomid 50mg or Nolvadex 20mg

So, the mild estrogenic sides were probubly from the HCG, but I'm still on .5mg Arimidex tappering to .24mg in the next week before post cycle therapy (pct), so I think I'm o.k. 'til then...

So far, I have gained 13 kilos of lean muscle mass and will report how much I keep in 1 month or so...

How does the PCT look?