putting on weight with test p ...help with diet please
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PrinceDianabol
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Test isn't gonna do a damn thing to help you cut. And at that weight, I'm assuming your bodyfat percentage is quite high. Not good at all my friend, your asking for trouble.
I suggest you abort this cycle and learn how to diet properly... Get down to a good weight/bf% and then use your test to bulk (put on lean muscle.)
I suggest you abort this cycle and learn how to diet properly... Get down to a good weight/bf% and then use your test to bulk (put on lean muscle.)
Hog928
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Prime example that gear isn't magic. I'm not bashing you because most of us have been there. Like princedianable said you should stop now save the gear and learn how to diet better. It will save you a lot of frustration and money. I hope you listen if not well gear is to expensive for me to waste it on a cycle I'm not gonna get results from. Best of luck and we do have a diet specialist on this site that could help you if you want help with dieting.
PrinceDianabol
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Yeah great point hog. Consider hiring 3J for your cut OP, he will definetly get you ripped. I too had to learn the hard way, my first cycle diet was shit (i thought it was great back then too lmao) and bf was too high... When i finished I was a big mofo, but fat as all shit... Looked terrible. Plus you put the bloat on from the test aswell.. I was downright ugly lol. Hate that moonface look. Seriously you will look and feel 1000x better, not to mention have less side effects if you get that body fat down before you do a cycle.:
Millertime
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The fact you already started I doubt your really gonna stop. Your looking to get lean where gear is only gonna help ya get big. Without a proper diet your just gonna fit into the meatball category once you swolle up a bit depending on your height.. My advice like everyone else is stop, learn to diet, plateau in the gym, then start gear. Otherwise you might be like every other butterball who gets his hands on gear. Its 80% diet and 20% training imo.
Yes i guess from the responses i cant diet and do test at the same time - yes my body fat percentage would be considered high..25% according to my scales..give or take i guess thats where i am.
Abort the cycle thats a big call...can you expand on your point of asking for trouble? Why is me being heavier an issue- if my diet and training is on the ball i thought the test p woud just accelerate my progress??....i mean i appreciate the sentiment but if i had the ideal physique already why would i consider aas use??
My main concern has always been switching off my natural test and doing long term damage..but on a test onlyncycle with all the necessary precautions AI and pct its a risk im willing to take..have had my kids already..
Abort the cycle thats a big call...can you expand on your point of asking for trouble? Why is me being heavier an issue- if my diet and training is on the ball i thought the test p woud just accelerate my progress??....i mean i appreciate the sentiment but if i had the ideal physique already why would i consider aas use??
My main concern has always been switching off my natural test and doing long term damage..but on a test onlyncycle with all the necessary precautions AI and pct its a risk im willing to take..have had my kids already..
Yes this is my concern i dont want to swell up like a butterball
....maybe too late already. and i agree diet is key - but was hoping test would accelerate things, not replace diet and training-wasnt expecting to inject and miraculously lose fat and gain muscle ...hmmm..so essentially i cant cut weight on test p??
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erix
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Sure you can cut weight....cardio , calorie restriction adequate macros and you will cut weight if thats what your looking to do...use this cycle to get lean mass....carb cycle ,intermitent fasting whatever works for you buddy! no one says you have to gain or lose weight on test ,its all about diet.
Thanks thats good to hear
Millertime
Dedication=Respect
We here have no idea really how motivated you are or how much discipline you have. If your truly focused and ready to put in the hard work then you can achieve great results. Only gonna get out what you put in.
waceyf
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25% is WAY too much bf!!! You're on the road to terrible sides. Gyno is imminent, bp is gonna sky rocket, pretty much if it's a side there's a 90% chance you're gonna get it. Take the advice given. If not you need to pick up some Adex and start taking it to prevent what you can. I really hope you listen and get this diet in check for several months and only then consider running a cycle.
Trenlikeabeast
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PrinceDianabol
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This is why your asking for trouble. Do you know about the Aromatase enzyme? Thats the thing that converts testosterone into estrogen in your body. It's found in fat mass. The more fat mass you carry, the more Aromatase enzymes you have. The more of these enzymes there are, the more testosterone get's converted to estrogen. Meaning, lower testosterone and much higher estrogen. At your bf%.... It's going to be VERY difficult to manage your E2 properly.
Here are a few sides of high estrogen in males:
*Increased Risk of Heart Disease
*Increased risk of Prostate cancer
*Increased blood clotting
*Increased risk of Hypertension (high blood pressure)
* Increased risk of cardiovascular event or stroke.
*Gynecomastia (growing breast tissue)
* Massive water retention
And trust me when I say at anywhere near 25% your at a very high risk of something going bad. Blood pressure would be fucked for sure. You'd bloat out like nothing else. And not to mention it's pointless to cycle now, because if you did and gained a heap of muscle you'd just look fatter because you'd still have so much bodyfat sitting over the muscle. On the other hand you could cut on cycle, but then you'd be putting yourself through all that danger for nothing. Test won't accellerate fat loss.
So.... Makes sense to abort now, stay natural til you can get that percentage down... THEN use that test and do a lean bulk. Do yourself a favour and spend some time in the diet section.
Good luck
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Princedianabol great information..cheers much appreciated. However those sides you mention surely are applicable to all users not just those at 25% body fat....yes we all know steroid abuse and even use is dangerous ...now if you said "mate steroids are dangerous be wary , the natural route is safer" i would be more inclined to appreciate your advice...however i notice some people are quick to jump on "newbs" like myself and assume we are stupid and advise abort cycle and get into shape 1st and then take steroids- that sounds almost nonsensical on a steroid forum.
Lets face it taking gear is bloody stupid at any % bodyfat but we do it all for the same reason- to improve our physiques....Now the discussion isnt whether i should or shouldnt take the gear, and the advice of abort cycle is somewhat insulting and unwarranted...but yes i agree its vain and stupid to take gear and we ALL should abort our cycles if common sense were to prevail.
Lets face it taking gear is bloody stupid at any % bodyfat but we do it all for the same reason- to improve our physiques....Now the discussion isnt whether i should or shouldnt take the gear, and the advice of abort cycle is somewhat insulting and unwarranted...but yes i agree its vain and stupid to take gear and we ALL should abort our cycles if common sense were to prevail.
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waceyf
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It's not about being stupid, noobs are naive and that's why you don't understand what he's telling you. No one is jumping on you, you've only received great advice. Yes there is a risk for all users, but there's a risk of diabetes and heart disease for everyone too but who is most susceptible to these diseases? Those who are overweight. Same thing applies to aas use. Now if that doesn't put it black and white for you then you'll never listen. And taking gear isn't stupid if you know what you're doing, this is a stereotypical response along with roid rage causing murder and suicide, anyone who beats their wife on cycle would do it off cycle. Sounds to me like you really don't want advice so I'm not even really sure why you're here. If you want diet help go to the diet forum since you're already an expert on AAS!
PrayForMojo
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I get the impression the OP is rather sensitive considering his response. I don't say that to be insulting but to highlight what may be some mental hurdles that need to be overcome before you use. I think the OP would benefit the most by stopping this cycle immediately and get some blood work done, by his replies I'm guessing he didn't get one done beforehand as a comparative baseline. Then some nutritional research would be in order (3j as previously mentioned has a glowing reputation) and perhap some therapy.
PrinceDianabol
Well-known member
No... The sides I listed are of high estrogen. Not sides of being overweight (although they usually go hand in hand.) Those of us who cycle safely at low bodyfat usually find it very easy to manage estrogen and not have it too high or too low. For you thats gonna be a damned hard task. Meaning your probably gonna end up having WAY high estro for most if not all of your cycle. Especially since you have no experience.
I'm not jumping on you coz your new, I couldn't care less. I gave you that advice because what your doing is both dangerous and pointless. Newbie or a seasoned vet, I'd feel inclined to let anyone know what they were doing is dangerous.
You came here complaining of a 2kg weight increase even though your on a low cal diet... Guess what that is buddy, thats all water! And your probably gonna gain a lot more of it too real soon. Btw your taking a steroid meant for weight gain and trying to cut... Go figure.
Lastly, cycling properly is not 'dangerous.' It's quite safe when done properly. What you are doing is dangerous.
I'm not jumping on you coz your new, I couldn't care less. I gave you that advice because what your doing is both dangerous and pointless. Newbie or a seasoned vet, I'd feel inclined to let anyone know what they were doing is dangerous.
You came here complaining of a 2kg weight increase even though your on a low cal diet... Guess what that is buddy, thats all water! And your probably gonna gain a lot more of it too real soon. Btw your taking a steroid meant for weight gain and trying to cut... Go figure.
Lastly, cycling properly is not 'dangerous.' It's quite safe when done properly. What you are doing is dangerous.
waceyf
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Right, that's what I was getting at just referenced it wrong maybe. I was just meaning higher bf higher risk just like with the diseases I mentioned for those overweight(high bf) being a larger risk. PD has given you really good advice OP and I hope you take it for your sake, not mine, not his. Most of us here reply to help people not to jump on them and belittle them.
