well, i stated w 1 cc of test e and 1 cc of tren a, but i can tell my gear is underdosed, so i went up to 2cc test e 1 cc tren a in one pin...whats wierd is i think i may have messed up my back because of it. since ive been pinning in my glutes this whole time, when i bumped up my dosage, and i pin 3 x's a week, i think all the gear in my glutes was kinda sweeling up my muscle and putting pressure on my siatic nerves, in turn causing back pain. that was the main reason i wanted to pin elsewhere...but i just got my order of pinnacle gear so im going to start that at 1cc 3x's/wk and see where im at. shouldnt be a problem anymore...