Question about test conversion to estro/DHT

MN87

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Ok, so... I know that when someone takes testosterone, some of the excess test (which varies per person)*will aromatize into estrogen.

But what if one adds or increases the dosage of Aromatase inhibitor (AI) to deactivate the aromatase enzyme? Test would now still be present in 'excessive' amounts, but just wouldn't aromatize into estrogen.

So does this mean that these 'excesses' of test will now become prime*targets for conversion into DHT?*Like, does reducing the probability for estro conversion increase the probability for DHT conversion?

Is there a relationship between the two?

Or will it remain in the system simply as free/unbound test?

All input is welcome :)
 
"The first path testosterone could take would be if 5alpha reductase turns it into DHT. Even though DHT has some beneficial effects on muscle gain, it is highly androgenic. DHT is the main cause of steroid's two biggest side effects: balding and enlargement of the prostate (i.e.- prostate hyperplasia). You know enough about balding, so I won't explain why you don't want it. Basically, DHT binds to the hair follicle in your head. It causes an inflammation that in turn starves your hair of oxygen. Thus, your hair dies. Having an enlarged prostate is definitely something you want to avoid. The frequent need to urinate aside, DHT has been shown to dramatically increase your chances of getting prostate cancer. So how do you avoid this? Take finasteride. Finasteride (also known by the brand names of Proscar and Propecia) has been shown to inhibit 5alpha reductase from converting testosterone to DHT. Research has shown it to be highly effective in treating and preventing baldness and prostate enlargement. I suggest you use the brand name Fincar. Fincar is made in India. Even though it contains the exact same chemical as Proscar (5mg of finasteride), its cost is significantly less than that of Proscar. I suggest using 1 to 1.25 mg of finasteride a day for every 500mg of testosterone you use. If you have a 5mg tablet, that means using one quarter tablet a day. Prolonged use has shown no adverse side effects in most subjects. (1,2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9,10)

I also suggest using Nizoral shampoo. Research has shown that it may prevent balding. For the $20/bottle cost, it is well worth it to use Nizoral shampoo. It also causes no noted negative side effects except a possible dryness of the hair. (11)

The next path that testosterone could take would be if it aromatizes into estrogen. Estrogen can cause the development of gynocomastia (also known as gyno). Gynocomastia is an often seen steroid side effect. It is the irreversible development of breasts in a male subject. Although it is harmless in nature, and very small, it often causes an immense amount of mental anguish in the subject. Estrogen also causes increased water retention, bloat, and an increased rate of fat gain. Getting rid of estrogen is very easy. I suggest the use of an anti-aromatase (i.e.- a substance that prevents testosterone from being converted into estrogen). Arimidex is number one on my list of anti-aromatases. Arimidex is the brand name for anastrozole. It comes in 1mg tablets. I suggest using one-eighth to one quarter of a mg of anastrozole per day per 500mg of testosterone that you use. That equates to using a quarter of a tablet every other day or every day. Anastrozole has been shown in countless research to cut down estrogen production by up to 90%. Prolonged use has been shown to be extremely safe."
 
Great info Cyborg... My question is: will the use of arimidex suffice for reducing the chances of premature balding? Or will arimidex and finsteride need to be taken during cycle to take care of both of these points? I am running 500/mg of just per week and am taking .25mg liquid arimidex ed... But i want to make sure i am also reducing my chances for premature baldness. I currently have a full head of hair and am 34 yrs old and this is my second test cycle.

~Clever~
 
Great info Cyborg... My question is: will the use of arimidex suffice for reducing the chances of premature balding? Or will arimidex and finsteride need to be taken during cycle to take care of both of these points? I am running 500/mg of just per week and am taking .25mg liquid arimidex ed... But i want to make sure i am also reducing my chances for premature baldness. I currently have a full head of hair and am 34 yrs old and this is my second test cycle.

~Clever~

then you need to use finasteride if you dont want premature baldness. also, nioxin shampoo for me is good. on its back it says that it helps bald men stop losing hair by cleaning the hair follicle from DHT.
 
I have first hand experience with this. I used Arimidex when I was in my teens (don't ask why) I ended up crushing my estrogen and noticed my hair was falling out constantly and was noticeably receding after a few weeks.

So I think of it like a see-saw, you crush estrogen and DHT increases, you use fina or dutasteride and estrogen increases.
All about finding a balance imo. I know a few guys that got gyno from finasteride so that supports my theory.
 
I have first hand experience with this. I used Arimidex when I was in my teens (don't ask why) I ended up crushing my estrogen and noticed my hair was falling out constantly and was noticeably receding after a few weeks.

So I think of it like a see-saw, you crush estrogen and DHT increases, you use fina or dutasteride and estrogen increases.
All about finding a balance imo. I know a few guys that got gyno from finasteride so that supports my theory.

So... By using fina and arimidex will it pin the proverbial seesaw to one side? (in favor of the test... But crush estrogen and dht?)
 
It is not direct like that. Although since you have more testosterone from the inhibition of the aroma enzyme you will convert more DHT. This is not directly related to the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) though cause the same thing would happen if you upped your testosterone dose, you would have more DHT, unless your hypo and have conversion problems.
 
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Would it be a good idea to take 5alpha reductase blocker to keep DHT conversation to a minimum? I only know of finasteride for that

If we used a DHT blocker and an Aromatase inhibitor (AI), would we just have more free floating test and less overall sides?
 
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