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Nelson - Montana said:Ephedra does not raise body temperature enough to burn fat. (Unless you use ridiculous dosages) It simply decreases appitite. The body reacts by slowing the metabolism in an effort to maintain homeostasis. As soon as you stop using it, all the fat come back -- plus MORE, since the metabolism is sluggish after adapting to the stimulation.
Nelson - Montana said:The only way to burn fat steadily and somewhat permantently is to raise basil temp via thyroid stimulation. This is why T 3 is so effective. But of course using T 3 has the same backlash as using stimulents in that the body deveolps a tolerence to the stimulation and then fat loss plateus. Of course T3 is also suppressive which is why no one ever keeps the fat from T3 use for very long. The only sensible way to burn fat sensibly and consistantly is though non supressive thyroid elevation which is what ZIP is designed to do. The problem with ZIP is, it isn't the type of supplement that's going to make people say; "WOW THIS STUFF KICKS ASS!!!" But it works, steadily and effectively.
TxLonghorn said:I've yet to see or hear, even anecdotally of the fat coming back moreso after cessation of ephedrine. However, if you eat too much and exercise too little, reality will settle in pretty quickly.hammer53 said:i lost almost 40 pounds using epherdra 2 years ago, and gained it all back blus 18 more in 6 months...of course, my diet turned to shit during those six months and I wasnt training nearly as often.
TxLonghorn said:Oh my gosh, you are saying that if I stop taking ephedrine, that stops working? Next you'll tell me that diets will stop working if I stop following them.
I'll file this under the 'No shit, Sherlock' file.
Nelson - Montana said:I But as I've maintained all along, the smartest, healthiest and most effective way to burn fat is through the thyroid, (the way nature intended fat to be burned) not the nervous system.
TxLonghorn said:I just find it funny that you refuse to listen to anything or anybody once you've made your mind up. Kind of like saying that there's no way they can build something that flies out of metal because it's too heavy and pointing to all the reasons why you can't do it. Meanwhile, a 747 is flying over your head.
I'm skipping forward now because let's face it.....mindless bickering is boring.
Milhouse said:Can we not get back to the topic on hand instead of the little cases of PLOM disease(poor little ol me).
No offense Nelson, I think you are a good contributer to the boards because whether or not people agree with you you do get people to think at least which is most important. Unfortunatley or fortunatley this means that people are going to debate and call you out on your credentials etc.
Sorry if you think those are flames when people call you out but bottom line you are in the business somewhat and all businesses are like this period ie someone will always call you out on whatever you are promoting or saying.
If you cant handle that and at least without everyone having to constantly re assure you how many credentials you have then maybe you arent ready for the business or sales world for that matter.
That being said I kinda wish other people who represent some of the major companies out there (ie weider, met rx, prolab, biotest, muslcetech etc) had the cajones to actually come online and not just promote products under aliases online but back up there stuff as well in the way you do nelson.
I do see your points about ephedrine espec the parts about it being addictive and/or abused by alot of people, but for every person that is going to rave about a product 5 others will rag on it and that may or may not have anything to do with the product and more to do with other external/internal factors ie the whole story about the person .
PS if anyone always thought I was just some convo clown well I should explain that 8is one facet of my real personality.
As far as people using real names well wake up people who use real names, many are discussing thier use of products that are illegal in the countries they live in never mind the fallout from work, family etc.
Nelson even if you never wote a book at least if you got nailed for gear use you could protect yourself under the guise of Hormone Replacement Therapy (HRT) being over 40 and all. the majority cant
Millie rocks...
Milhouse said:Dont most people who use supplements legal or otherwise for fat burning typically go off the eating plans and training/cardio they did after stopping using said supplements. That is the most logical reason for people gaining weight in my opinion.
Look at it this way. How many idiots does anyone know who actually only train when tey are on juice? How many people go on supplements again legal/illegal and cry bloody murder when the supps dont give them any results yet the training eating etc of the person is the whole story
PS personally I think 99% of supplements are useless unless diet and training are right for the person and thier goals.
And you shoot yourself in the foot.....
Nelson - Montana said:Of course. Supplements just give a little boost. It's up to the user to decide where it's needed and when it's worth it.
Actually, even steroids don't do much unless you train and eat right. I see guys looking to gain twenty pounds and they're mixing their protein with water and cutting carbs. Then when they don't grow they assume they need more drugs.
I was re-reading an interview I did with Craig Titus and he said, as long as he gets enough protein, water and fiber, he eats whatever he can -- Mc Donolds, cookies, whatever, in order to grow.
But yeah, it's best to look at supplements as a healthy addition, and ephedra isn't healthy. Nothing will ever take the place of drugs but drugs have their downside. That's why I always felt a combination of a judicious use of drugs along with good supplementation gives the best advantage. But again, without the diet and especially the right kind of hard training, you're wasting your time.
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