I'm guessing that you are suggesting this to prevent leydig cell desensitization. My nolvadex arrived late, should I just start it now? (Day 18 off AAS, day 5 hCG). Also, by bumping the nolvadex forward by one week, should I take off a week at the end(To keep a total of 6 weeks), Or should I leave the week on the end for a total of 7 weeks. Thanks for the input
Recovery from a year long blast/cruise/trt
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I'm guessing that you are suggesting this to prevent leydig cell desensitization. My nolvadex arrived late, should I just start it now? (Day 18 off AAS, day 5 hCG). Also, by bumping the nolvadex forward by one week, should I take off a week at the end(To keep a total of 6 weeks), Or should I leave the week on the end for a total of 7 weeks. Thanks for the input
STAUNCHED427
Elite Juicer
Oh I see, Clomid won't do much at all besides gives sides if your running hCG. hCG is still suppressive to the HPTA...Nolva or Toremifene will keep gyno controlled whils ton hCG but obviously will not do anything for LH/FSH until you come off the hCG. I would continue blasting the hCG, you will probably need an AI with that dosage of hCG which could explain the shitty feeling alongside the fact that test production is still ramping up, your nuts have been off for a while which I why I would have said keep on a cruise/TRT dose while blasting the hCG and then come off the Test, continue the hCG and come off it onto a SERM. But, you are here now so I would keep on witht he hCG, maybe run .25mg adex with each shot and adjust via blood tests. This way you can see where your e2 and test are at on the hCG and will give you an idea of if your balls are capable of producing test at the time, if which they are... drop the hCG and switch to a SERM.
I'm on 12.5mg aromasin eod bro, and going to start the nolva/clomid a day before my last hcg pin. And you're totally right, I followed some misinformation about how I should use hCG and came off cruise when I should have stayed on and blasted hCG. In other news my nuts are a lot bigger after my hCG pin today lol. I think they will definitely be ready for the SERMS by day 16.( Today is day 6)
RamboTheDog
New member
Dont come off bro, you will literally lose ALL your gains from the entire last year you were on B/C cuz your T levels will CRASH and will only come back (if they come back) in like 3 months or more and probably not over 200-300's since it was 693 before..
You need to be more sure of things, first you get on B/C, a lifetime commitment, then 1 year later you regret it and want to get off aas BUT only for a while... Makes no sense, if you are getting off for just a while then all you are going to do is lose all your gains and then get back on ??!!?
IMO pct is kind of bullshit unfortunately, everyone says that if you do proper pct T levels will go back to before and that isnt true, you will have maybe 70% recovery if lucky
I am a living proof of that along with 3 other very close friends of mine, our natural T levels never came back even after just 1 cycle done properly with perfect PCT of 6 weeks and not 4. The last friend of mine who had his first "cycle" did 80mg of oxandrolone/day for 40 days had his hormones fucked up, his Testosterone before was around 900, then he did a good PCT protocol of 6 weeks and waited another 6 weeks for blood tests (total 12 weeks after cycle), his testosterone level came back around 500..
This is just an example but me and 3 other friends of mine had the same problem and thats why im on B/C
Believe me Cleneater, EVEN if you had done normal cycles of 6-12 weeks your natural levels would NEVER go back to normal even with PCT, they would ALWAYS be below average unfortunately.. unless u took clomid 4 life.. Sorry for being harsh here but do you really think you will recover your natural test production after 1 year of using steroids?? Yes there are a few people who are exceptions/lucky and managed to recover fully but thats 1 in 1 million or w/e bro
Everyone who is older than 30 years old should be on TRT, cuz the reason you age is because your hormone levels start dropping, so it is well known that TRT is a must have for anyone over 30 years old who wants to keep their health in check. Im not talking about testosterone replacement only but HGH and any other hormones that start dropping... My point is that you shouldnt get off, the only "bad" thing you did was starting your TRT a few years earlier than normal
You need to be more sure of things, first you get on B/C, a lifetime commitment, then 1 year later you regret it and want to get off aas BUT only for a while... Makes no sense, if you are getting off for just a while then all you are going to do is lose all your gains and then get back on ??!!?
IMO pct is kind of bullshit unfortunately, everyone says that if you do proper pct T levels will go back to before and that isnt true, you will have maybe 70% recovery if lucky
I am a living proof of that along with 3 other very close friends of mine, our natural T levels never came back even after just 1 cycle done properly with perfect PCT of 6 weeks and not 4. The last friend of mine who had his first "cycle" did 80mg of oxandrolone/day for 40 days had his hormones fucked up, his Testosterone before was around 900, then he did a good PCT protocol of 6 weeks and waited another 6 weeks for blood tests (total 12 weeks after cycle), his testosterone level came back around 500..
This is just an example but me and 3 other friends of mine had the same problem and thats why im on B/C
Believe me Cleneater, EVEN if you had done normal cycles of 6-12 weeks your natural levels would NEVER go back to normal even with PCT, they would ALWAYS be below average unfortunately.. unless u took clomid 4 life.. Sorry for being harsh here but do you really think you will recover your natural test production after 1 year of using steroids?? Yes there are a few people who are exceptions/lucky and managed to recover fully but thats 1 in 1 million or w/e bro
Everyone who is older than 30 years old should be on TRT, cuz the reason you age is because your hormone levels start dropping, so it is well known that TRT is a must have for anyone over 30 years old who wants to keep their health in check. Im not talking about testosterone replacement only but HGH and any other hormones that start dropping... My point is that you shouldnt get off, the only "bad" thing you did was starting your TRT a few years earlier than normal
PrinceDianabol
Well-known member
Its definetely possible to recover from a year long cycle. Everyones different.
DPR recovered after 2 (or was it 2.5 years?) blast and cruising.
DPR recovered after 2 (or was it 2.5 years?) blast and cruising.
Megatron28
Moderator
Dont come off bro, you will literally lose ALL your gains from the entire last year you were on B/C cuz your T levels will CRASH and will only come back (if they come back) in like 3 months or more and probably not over 200-300's since it was 693 before..
You need to be more sure of things, first you get on B/C, a lifetime commitment, then 1 year later you regret it and want to get off aas BUT only for a while... Makes no sense, if you are getting off for just a while then all you are going to do is lose all your gains and then get back on ??!!?
IMO pct is kind of bullshit unfortunately, everyone says that if you do proper pct T levels will go back to before and that isnt true, you will have maybe 70% recovery if lucky
I am a living proof of that along with 3 other very close friends of mine, our natural T levels never came back even after just 1 cycle done properly with perfect PCT of 6 weeks and not 4. The last friend of mine who had his first "cycle" did 80mg of oxandrolone/day for 40 days had his hormones fucked up, his Testosterone before was around 900, then he did a good PCT protocol of 6 weeks and waited another 6 weeks for blood tests (total 12 weeks after cycle), his testosterone level came back around 500..
This is just an example but me and 3 other friends of mine had the same problem and thats why im on B/C
Believe me Cleneater, EVEN if you had done normal cycles of 6-12 weeks your natural levels would NEVER go back to normal even with PCT, they would ALWAYS be below average unfortunately.. unless u took clomid 4 life.. Sorry for being harsh here but do you really think you will recover your natural test production after 1 year of using steroids?? Yes there are a few people who are exceptions/lucky and managed to recover fully but thats 1 in 1 million or w/e bro
Everyone who is older than 30 years old should be on TRT, cuz the reason you age is because your hormone levels start dropping, so it is well known that TRT is a must have for anyone over 30 years old who wants to keep their health in check. Im not talking about testosterone replacement only but HGH and any other hormones that start dropping... My point is that you shouldnt get off, the only "bad" thing you did was starting your TRT a few years earlier than normal
Some interestingly unusual opinions in here. I will just say that I have seen lots of guys make a full recover after running a cycle and PCT while keeping their gains. And your best example is a guy who supposedly ran a "proper cycle and proper PCT" by doing Anavar by itself for 40 days at 80mg? Everyone in the game knows that you don't run a cycle without Test in it unless you are female.
Dont come off bro, you will literally lose ALL your gains from the entire last year you were on B/C cuz your T levels will CRASH and will only come back (if they come back) in like 3 months or more and probably not over 200-300's since it was 693 before..
You need to be more sure of things, first you get on B/C, a lifetime commitment, then 1 year later you regret it and want to get off aas BUT only for a while... Makes no sense, if you are getting off for just a while then all you are going to do is lose all your gains and then get back on ??!!?
IMO pct is kind of bullshit unfortunately, everyone says that if you do proper pct T levels will go back to before and that isnt true, you will have maybe 70% recovery if lucky
I am a living proof of that along with 3 other very close friends of mine, our natural T levels never came back even after just 1 cycle done properly with perfect PCT of 6 weeks and not 4. The last friend of mine who had his first "cycle" did 80mg of oxandrolone/day for 40 days had his hormones fucked up, his Testosterone before was around 900, then he did a good PCT protocol of 6 weeks and waited another 6 weeks for blood tests (total 12 weeks after cycle), his testosterone level came back around 500..
This is just an example but me and 3 other friends of mine had the same problem and thats why im on B/C
Believe me Cleneater, EVEN if you had done normal cycles of 6-12 weeks your natural levels would NEVER go back to normal even with PCT, they would ALWAYS be below average unfortunately.. unless u took clomid 4 life.. Sorry for being harsh here but do you really think you will recover your natural test production after 1 year of using steroids?? Yes there are a few people who are exceptions/lucky and managed to recover fully but thats 1 in 1 million or w/e bro
Everyone who is older than 30 years old should be on TRT, cuz the reason you age is because your hormone levels start dropping, so it is well known that TRT is a must have for anyone over 30 years old who wants to keep their health in check. Im not talking about testosterone replacement only but HGH and any other hormones that start dropping... My point is that you shouldnt get off, the only "bad" thing you did was starting your TRT a few years earlier than normal
Interesting post. This is the first time I've heard this kind of opinion on pct. I think you guys had bunk pct because this story doesn't add up, something is fishy.
Also, if this PCT does not get my testosterone where I want it, you guys will have your very first LONG TERM triptorelin log. And if that doesn't work, sure I'll go on TRT, but I am not ready for that yet.
STAUNCHED427
Elite Juicer
It is possible to restore... Some simply can not restore their HPTA, a lot of factors come into play a big one being individual genetics.
Uso
New member
I just wanted to add.. when y'all say "restore" what in particular does that mean? To restore any natural test production? To restore production above needing to be on TRT? To (optimal case:the user had blood work done prior to cycling) restore pre-cycle levels? To produce enough FSH to have children?
What about effects and damage to our free test? This is also now a factor in how the individual will feel, perform, recovery(muscle), libido, etc.
How was free test effect if at all or drastically during these heavy extended cycles?
My opinion is: a year+ long cycle can not be recovered from to optimal pre-cycle conditions. Not only have we successfully shutdown our HPTA for extreme amounts of time, (in this case while the user was still developing his own endocrine system) but now were expecting it to bounce back; when naturally your body would have already begun to produce less with out the heavy use of AAS. I do believe some levels of natural test can be recovered, but in the sense to bodybuild? No, to maintain muscle mass? No.
This is just my .02c, to the OP I certainly hope you do recover!
What about effects and damage to our free test? This is also now a factor in how the individual will feel, perform, recovery(muscle), libido, etc.
How was free test effect if at all or drastically during these heavy extended cycles?
My opinion is: a year+ long cycle can not be recovered from to optimal pre-cycle conditions. Not only have we successfully shutdown our HPTA for extreme amounts of time, (in this case while the user was still developing his own endocrine system) but now were expecting it to bounce back; when naturally your body would have already begun to produce less with out the heavy use of AAS. I do believe some levels of natural test can be recovered, but in the sense to bodybuild? No, to maintain muscle mass? No.
This is just my .02c, to the OP I certainly hope you do recover!
