I don't think Billy Bathgate and William Wallace will mind me copying their responses on to the above post on
http://www.bodybuilding4life.com/forum/showthread.php?s=&postid=11839#post11839.
BTW, both Billy and William are stand up guys who I trust implicitly. On the other hand, RSOC's/GAC's credibility and integrity are highly suspect since they have a history of similar incidents, not delivering what they promised.
Billy Bathgate posted:
"LOL
Ill vouch for the lab reports authenticity.
Before you attack WW personally, read "It was delivered to me to post for you by a member who had the product tested recently."
William Wallace posted:
"Well Redstar, I guess instead of addressing the lab reports or dealing with issues you may have with your product(s), the same issues you have had twice in the past, you instead resort to an ad hominem attack, typical from what I have seen of your customer service. It is noteworthy to mention in my initial post on these lab results, I invited you to reply in a civilized manner, as well as others, who may have input on the subject, no bias present, just information that as an alleged reputable UG lab, you should deal with and want to address.
Let us first go into detail on how these lab results came to be and how my involvement came to be, since I apparently am at issue. You had a customer, a regular guy who got your product tested, and those results came back badly for you and him. My understanding is that he contacted you via e-mail, and was threatened by you or your group. Understandably upset he contacted a MOD on my board who also MOD’s on various other boards bmf. I was then contacted and asked if those results could be published on my site, I consented, and I knew I would be up against the wrath of RSOC, and that is how I became the purveyor of this news. Bmf can substantiate at what point my involvement was considered and that I did not ask for this responsibility, indeed I almost passed on it, I thought for a moment to leave it to someone else to face BadStar, because you do play ugly, and we know your not always honest.
Now you question whether the lab result is real or fake, or if it is simply made up, so let us address the issues, rather than call names. Well, sir you can call SRCS so can anyone else, and though they will not release personal information, such as who got the product tested, they will in fact verify that a sample of RSOC primo was tested. Anyone who desires there contact info can contact me and it shall be freely given. Certain parts of the tests were edited out such as the name, e-mail, and set ID # this was done at request of the person who had the product tested, for he is nervous at your revenge, I am not. You can ony threaten and cajole so many people into compliance RSOC.
You also insinuated that I did time in Club Fed, and am the head of a UG lab. These claims are patently false and without substance, though it is easier for you to attack me than to deal with your product issues. As stated before, and time and time again, I am in Law School, my last year, and many people from the boards can verify and back that statement up. I have spoken and made a great deal of friends over time on the boards, and some have my contact info, but I am sure you will not believe them if they come forth.
So I give you this offer in front of the whole internet world. I have spoken to Rick Collins on the phone in the past concerning his book (since we are in the same field, or I almost am), he has my name and phone number, and has called my home before, he knows who I am, where I go to school etc. I will offer all verifiable information to him concerning my identity, Drivers License, Passport, even my birth certificate, hell if money allows, I will even visit him. I will proffer what law school I attend, and any other information. Mr. Collins can run a background check, and if I have a record of any sort, besides traffic violations-lol, I like to speed; I will GIVE MY BOARD TO YOU, all server fees paid for one year.
We also have something in common. I know a past writer for MD, he lives where I do, and occasionally trains with me, he used to work for Blechman and Twinlab. A call can be made to your friend John Romano, verifying that indeed I own BB4L, and that I head no lab, and am in law school, so take your pick RSOC, the balls in your court.
Secondly, you claim I head a UG lab. I will tell you this and all my MODS know this for a fact and can verify this. No selling of AS by MODS or Admin is tolerated on BB4L. I started the board as a safe place for members to hang out without fear of the board being shut down because of a bust, or any other reason. I am also in law school, as stated previously. I have no desire to start a UG lab or head one and risk arrest and prosecution. I have worked to hard all my life, and can not risk what you and others risk to run your labs, I have chosen a different path. If you can substantiate that I SPEARHEAD a UG lab, again, I OFFER MY BOARD TO YOU. I believe BAD Star/GAC you should address the merits of your products and not make unverifiable, untrue personal attacks.
For example, you sold parabolan as trenbolone acetate. Later, it was proven that you sold masteron as trenbolone actetate. You blamed these problems on your supplier and crew, changed your name, and came back to the scene. Bad Star this is the third time your products did not test well, and I felt compelled as a member of the bodybuilding community to let people know the results of a test by a regular customer with no affiliation to yourself or to me. That’s the type of person I am, I do not like others getting screwed, and too much negative information has been clouding your products. I am sure you will have a test that will come at 100% or probably above, lol. I just don’t know how much credibility you should be afforded considering your history. This is the THIRD time you have been in this spotlight sir.
I do not deal in drama RSOC, my word is my bond. I made some promises to you in front of everyone in the world, now it is your turn to do a few things. Tell us why we should believe you? You who has been proven to lie twice, and now possibly a third. Also, you made claims about me, put up or shut up now my friend, nothing to hide here, can you say the same?"
