Results After 3 Weeks of E3D Injection Schedule

[Jimstigator]

Hey fellas,

You might remember my thread about adjusting my injection schedule from EOD to E3D to increase estrogen a bit. So I went from EOD totaling 100mg a week to E3D totaling 125mg a week. After three weeks of this - the results are...

TT: 712 (348-1197),
Sensitive E: 20 (3-70)

This was drawn 48 hours after my 50mg injection, which I figured was on the down slope of the peak. My trough obviously being the 72 hour mark, when I re-inject. Using 50mg E3D. No AI, no HCG.

I suppose I find it odd - I consistently tested 800-900 on 100mg a week injected EOD. Now I show up at 712 on 125mg a week injected E3D.

Thoughts? Any warrant in taking the dose up further? I do feel slightly better E3D than EOD, but I also definitely notice a different in feeling between the day after injection and morning of my next injection. Albeit probably a small change in T, my perception is on trough days I feel worn down.

-Jim

 

[Havasu]

Well that estrogen is still a little low, but if you're feeling ok, nor harm no foul. From what I understand closer to around 30 is ideal, but everyone is different. As far as the test, is this pharmacy grade, or UGL? Has the type of test changed (Pharmcy Grade/UGL) since you were testing higher? As I understand it. With every other day injections before you were probably testing at 24 hours after injection and seeing the number at absolute peak. Now you did it 48 hours, and it starting to come back down. For true trough levels, if you are injectiong every 3rd day in the am, then you should draw the labs in the AM of the day you are injecting, before you inject. That would be true trough.

If you are feeling great then it's up to you if you up your dose or not. If you want a trough of 900, then you probably need to up your dose to 160mg per week. However that calculation is everything being equal, and based on the 48 hour number, not the 72 hour number. You may want to start at 140mg per week, then up it from there if you need to. Of course, there's more cost for labs doing it more incrementally, but it's up to you. Also, going up a little more will probably raise your e2 number closer to ideal. So, you still may not need an AI. I would however add HCG at 250iu 24 hours before each test injection. Again, that's a personal choice though.

 

[Alpin]

Looks great to me. What's your weight, height??
I would have liked to see a reg panel for Estradiol.
If you can get one it would be great.
we can compare the two.
I'm not to sure about sensitive Estradiol.
I just use the reg. Panel.

Jim I do E3D shots as well. 60 mg E3D
2 weeks into protocol 2 days from shot.
TT 790
ESTRADIOL REG. 27 PG / ML
I did take super low dose adex too after the second week.
0.125 mg E3D on days of shot.
I too felt like shit though many days.....

 

[Alpin]

Well that estrogen is still a little low, but if you're feeling ok, nor harm no foul. From what I understand closer to around 30 is ideal, but everyone is different. As far as the test, is this pharmacy grade, or UGL? Has the type of test changed (Pharmcy Grade/UGL) since you were testing higher? As I understand it. With every other day injections before you were probably testing at 24 hours after injection and seeing the number at absolute peak. Now you did it 48 hours, and it starting to come back down. For true trough levels, if you are injectiong every 3rd day in the am, then you should draw the labs in the AM of the day you are injecting, before you inject. That would be true trough.

If you are feeling great then it's up to you if you up your dose or not. If you want a trough of 900, then you probably need to up your dose to 160mg per week. However that calculation is everything being equal, and based on the 48 hour number, not the 72 hour number. You may want to start at 140mg per week, then up it from there if you need to. Of course, there's more cost for labs doing it more incrementally, but it's up to you. Also, going up a little more will probably raise your e2 number closer to ideal. So, you still may not need an AI. I would however add HCG at 250iu 24 hours before each test injection. Again, that's a personal choice though.

In your experience would his Estradiol be slightly higher on the 3rd day (day of shot... trough day)?

 

[Havasu]

In your experience would his Estradiol be slightly higher on the 3rd day (day of shot... trough day)?

I'm no expert, but I would assume it would be lower. I would expect the highest e2 number to be when the test is peaking. I would assume if test is higher then aromatization would be at it's highest. What I don't know is what the speed of aromatization is, and how that intersects with peaks and troughs of test. I've tested my testosterone mostly at trough levels, so far, but I would assume that's not when it was at it's highest.

I was injecting once a week before, now I'm injecting 2x a week, so I'm still dialing in my e2. I had an odd result recently. 5 days out from my test injection (That's when the new TRT clinic I'm dealing with wanted the test done) my Testosterone was at 900 and e2 was at 14. I have no idea how it got that low, because when my testosterone was in the high 600's the morning of the 7 days after injection prior at a lower dose my e2 was 33. I hadn't added an AI in, so I'm not sure if the test was done incorrectly. Since that time I've split my doses into two times a week. The thought being that your troughs will stay higher, and your e2 shouldn't spike as much at any time as taking your entire week's dose all at once.