Starkraven said:yeah i bloated from it. it was progesterone. i should have ran Winstrol (winny) with it but id rather avoid them both and just run test. i noticed the adex didnt help with tren sides at all like bloat.
dude 2g/week of tren? what does 2g do that 500mg doesnt? just wondering...
I mentioned using L-dex for BP problems that I assumed was brought on by water retention...even though I never noticed any. Winstrol (winny) huh???pullinbig said:damn you guys make me feel bad. last timei ran it i ran 2g/w for a few months. couldnt tell any diff between it and ace cept it took it about 4 or 5 weeks to kick in. other than that all was thre same. appetite was down, sleep was a joke, peed every 30 minutes, BP went up some. ran this with 2g/w of T cyp.
some one mentioned they bloated off tren in an above post. first time i ever heard of that.
adex dont help with tren sides either, whoever mentioned that. Winstrol (winny) is the best thing out there for tren sides if they are a problem.
mg/mg tren is far superior to test for strength gains.
pullinbig said:obviously the gains arenet 4x as big but there is a noticable difference. same with any hormone., higher doses yeild better results but its not 1/1. 2g/w of test is not 2x as potent as 1g/w. but there is a difference. some folks need more juice than others. same with alcohol, food etc...... what works for me is overkill for many and some need substanially more. i have friend who weighs 200ish and wont even start a cycle with less than 5g/w. course he never comes off but bridges, like many i know in the PLing world.
i do not recommend this to anyone. just sharing my experience.
hey stark were you doing tren by itself when you bloated? thats very odd. 19nors typically dont cause water retention when used by them selves. in fact they have the opposite reeaction esp in moderste to low dosages.
Starkraven said:wow.
well i did test e with tren e. the test e i went 4 weeks and i thought my adex was fake so i dropped the test (stupid move!) and continued wuth the tren and adex and didnt notice the bloat coming off!! maybe a tad bit but when dieting i wanted NO BLOAT AT ALL. i took tren ace before and didnt bloat, could have been i took too much tren. i did 500mg tren with 500 test. i went 7 weeks with the tren and for 6 weeks later i still bloated AND now 12 WEEKS LATER i still have some very slight bloat in my face/neck. i would like to get back on test 250mg/week with arimidex or aromasin so i hope that will take care of the bloat and eliminate it because having low test = higher estros so if i get back on test and keep the e lowered with aromasin, i should lose the bloat.
aside from that, i am going to stick to mainly test only cycles and not go above 500mg. that dose should keep me gaining for a long long time. i dont need anything else, dbol is great but has some sides i dont like. stressed liver and lower back pumps suck. cant eat while on it but great strength gains!
ntnfdvd said:I mentioned using L-dex for BP problems that I assumed was brought on by water retention...even though I never noticed any. Winstrol (winny) huh???
Yeah...I found that out. PB do you think the BP lowering supplements you listed here a while back would help with Tren related blood pressure problems? My strength and size went up nicely while lowering my body fat on Tren and would love to run it again...but without the sides.pullinbig said:winny blocks P sides nicely at low doses.
and tren can cause elevated BP without water bloat.