scorob777
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Hey bud, so you've gotten a lot of good feedback, and more than a few opinions. There seem to be a couple of themes here - like too many compounds for first time, too high body fat, maybe alternatives like getting diet in check and more cardio.
My take is this - first the test/deca/dbol cycle is the golden oldie people have been doing since the 70's at least, maybe 60's. You shouldn't do it because you don't know how to manage E2 on just test alone (i.e. no baseline for AI dosage), so you won't know how to dial it up a bit to take care of the dbol. You also won't know or appreciate what compound is doing what for you. And with high body fat managing E2 is going to be your #1 concern, so best to take just test and get bloodwork and establish what dose AI you need. This cycle is not the "worst cycle ever", or even a horrible choice for first cycle - it's more like learning to drive and getting a V8 mustang with a blower for your first car. Where do you go from there??? Maybe your second car is a lambo or ferrari (2nd cycle tren), then where from there??? Start out mild and if you decide later then you can ramp things up.
For body fat, I agree 20-25% describes a large amount of dudes out there. Yes a bit high, but manageable if you appreciate that excess fat will give excess estrogen conversion (and maybe high blood pressure and blood sugar control issues), so again control with AI. Get your dose figured out by trial & error and testing, and as body fat drops see how you can reduce it over time. Read the test stickies and you'll see a seldom discussed fact that you could inject a bunch of test and do nothing else at all and gain muscle and lose fat.
And lastly, your idea you only want to do 1 or 2 cycles. Might not play out that way because 1 you will probably like it, and 2 after you are done you will be both older (making less test), and possibly damaged in HPTA (making less test), so you may well want to continue. Seems to me like dipping toes into this field leads inevitably to TRT or blast & c***se.
My take is this - first the test/deca/dbol cycle is the golden oldie people have been doing since the 70's at least, maybe 60's. You shouldn't do it because you don't know how to manage E2 on just test alone (i.e. no baseline for AI dosage), so you won't know how to dial it up a bit to take care of the dbol. You also won't know or appreciate what compound is doing what for you. And with high body fat managing E2 is going to be your #1 concern, so best to take just test and get bloodwork and establish what dose AI you need. This cycle is not the "worst cycle ever", or even a horrible choice for first cycle - it's more like learning to drive and getting a V8 mustang with a blower for your first car. Where do you go from there??? Maybe your second car is a lambo or ferrari (2nd cycle tren), then where from there??? Start out mild and if you decide later then you can ramp things up.
For body fat, I agree 20-25% describes a large amount of dudes out there. Yes a bit high, but manageable if you appreciate that excess fat will give excess estrogen conversion (and maybe high blood pressure and blood sugar control issues), so again control with AI. Get your dose figured out by trial & error and testing, and as body fat drops see how you can reduce it over time. Read the test stickies and you'll see a seldom discussed fact that you could inject a bunch of test and do nothing else at all and gain muscle and lose fat.
And lastly, your idea you only want to do 1 or 2 cycles. Might not play out that way because 1 you will probably like it, and 2 after you are done you will be both older (making less test), and possibly damaged in HPTA (making less test), so you may well want to continue. Seems to me like dipping toes into this field leads inevitably to TRT or blast & c***se.
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I gotta laugh , not at you, but that feeling when your typical warm- up weight feels like you don't have any plates on the bar. 
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