Second Cycle Help (Finished a successful First, looking for a second)
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Hypnotix
Well-known member
Funny! I was thinking of doing just test 2nd time around (750mg/wk).. I'd listen to this dude right here OP. He's been there, done all of that and some.
Although!, If you must add another substance this time rather than upping the Test a bit only, follow the KISS principle and add only 1, preferably one that is also not Tren.
Examples I've seen most recommended are; (More Test), (More Test + Deca), (More Test + EQ) (More Test + Dbol Kickstart).
Now, I'm not going to say whether this is good or bad, but I've also heard some say it doesn't hurt to do More Test + EQ + 4-6 week Dbol (30mg/day) Kickstarter. EQ is slow to see, from what I've read. Dbol will be the "2nd" compound in the beginning, while EQ will be the "2nd" compound later on. Anyone with any sense will know that once you put that EQ in, it's in. It's in your blood and it's doing something.. so technically, yes, 3 substances will be there.. but! Like I said, I've read that some do this 2nd time around and that's how they've justified it.
Personally I've been leaning toward : (Test Only at 750/wk), or (Test 750/wk + EQ 600-800/wk)
Teutonic
New member
KISS
Using that as a seriously great rule in life IF U GO W 2 compounds I M O I d stay with any drug that could be x d out with the same drug were prob s to arise...using 19 nor s would, if there were a problem recquire an andro antag; where as if you threw in an oral kickstart like t bol---low to no conversion to estro or d bol- converts to estro like a mo fo...
BOTH could be addressed with 1 type of compound Anti e s or serms. PREFERRABLY anti e s like a dex or aromasine..
Just a thought. Stay on the same page. Augmenting hormones is not childs play . Ur "going to war with hpta ".
1 st rule in war---fight if you can on 1 front. 19 nor s is like opening another front.
2 nd set reasonable goals and be ready for set backs and counter attacks. ( side effects from the orals mentioned can be addressed with 1 weapon.
OP- define
19 nor
hpta
anti e vs serm and I ll rep the heck out of you. U NEED TO KNOW THIS.
( tren is like attacking RUSSIA or China )
Using that as a seriously great rule in life IF U GO W 2 compounds I M O I d stay with any drug that could be x d out with the same drug were prob s to arise...using 19 nor s would, if there were a problem recquire an andro antag; where as if you threw in an oral kickstart like t bol---low to no conversion to estro or d bol- converts to estro like a mo fo...
BOTH could be addressed with 1 type of compound Anti e s or serms. PREFERRABLY anti e s like a dex or aromasine..
Just a thought. Stay on the same page. Augmenting hormones is not childs play . Ur "going to war with hpta ".
1 st rule in war---fight if you can on 1 front. 19 nor s is like opening another front.
2 nd set reasonable goals and be ready for set backs and counter attacks. ( side effects from the orals mentioned can be addressed with 1 weapon.
OP- define
19 nor
hpta
anti e vs serm and I ll rep the heck out of you. U NEED TO KNOW THIS.
( tren is like attacking RUSSIA or China )
Thats not a bad idea to up the dose at all but man i just wanna get my hands on the good stuff already haha, im thinking of a cycle of test + deca do you have the link to that kiss principle by any chance?
I really didn't get much gains from just test e i feel adding another compound will really give me that extra edge.. if i do end up adding an additional compound whats your opinion of a test+deca one?
PrinceDianabol
Well-known member
If you didn't get much gains on a test cycle something is off.. most likely your diet.
Please rate my cycle
Test E 750mg 2x a week for 12 weeks
Nandro P 150 EOD 11 weeks
Exemstane 12.5mg 15 weeks
HCG 500iu/week 12 weeks
1000iu/week last 10 days leading up to PCT
PCT: clomafene 50mged 4 weeks
tamoxfene 40mg 2 weeks then 20mg next 2 weeks
(Please feel to add anything or edit anything) i want this to be a good second cycle
Test E 750mg 2x a week for 12 weeks
Nandro P 150 EOD 11 weeks
Exemstane 12.5mg 15 weeks
HCG 500iu/week 12 weeks
1000iu/week last 10 days leading up to PCT
PCT: clomafene 50mged 4 weeks
tamoxfene 40mg 2 weeks then 20mg next 2 weeks
(Please feel to add anything or edit anything) i want this to be a good second cycle
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Teutonic
New member
what part of my post confused you
did u read it ?
did you look up 19 nors vs test based drugs
I m about to red rep you for being LAZY G D IT.
if YOU DID NOT GET GAINS YOU EITHER
HAD BUNK GEAR
trained and ate like my mom
Go read WHY I said NO 19 nor s on a rookie s knowledge...you got12 hour s to answer my homework assignment I m tired of kids fucking themselves up....this generation s so darn...gimmee gimmee gimmee
OP,
I m trying to keep u from making milk..or deca dick or.....WORSE
did u read it ?
did you look up 19 nors vs test based drugs
I m about to red rep you for being LAZY G D IT.
if YOU DID NOT GET GAINS YOU EITHER
HAD BUNK GEAR
trained and ate like my mom
Go read WHY I said NO 19 nor s on a rookie s knowledge...you got12 hour s to answer my homework assignment I m tired of kids fucking themselves up....this generation s so darn...gimmee gimmee gimmee
OP,
I m trying to keep u from making milk..or deca dick or.....WORSE
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My bad dude I missed your post.. Been having crappy Internet issues lately .. I will read up on it later today and get back to you
Teutonic
New member
I am glad u are...
It s in the stickies..ALL OF IT...as an old guy...cancer survivor...retired ..xxxx...I m lucky to be here.
Its my J O B when here to keep you from stepping on ur dick, ruining ur health, rendering useless u as a member of society OR THIS BOARD or allowing your GENERATION to continue it s trend. I ll save it one gearhead at a time
lololololol
It s in the stickies..ALL OF IT...as an old guy...cancer survivor...retired ..xxxx...I m lucky to be here.
Its my J O B when here to keep you from stepping on ur dick, ruining ur health, rendering useless u as a member of society OR THIS BOARD or allowing your GENERATION to continue it s trend. I ll save it one gearhead at a time
lololololol
3J
Super Moderator
thats exactly what it was... a cycle without a proper diet is like sitting in a ferrari without gas in the tank.. feels great to be in there, but youre not getting anywhere..
your diet will dictate 80% of your results out of a cycle.. so be smart with it.. if you dont know how to eat to grow you wont grow with or without compounds..
check out my free diet advice sticky if you need help..
or if you want a professional to handle your nutrition, consider hiring me.. contact me at 3jdiet@gmail.com for more info.. or check out the links below
http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/676715-who-3j-3js-nutrition-network.html
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3J
Super Moderator
thanks for the kind words brother
Thank you both for looking out for me, we dont even know each other and here you are helping noobies like me, i truely appreciate it, after reading about nandro i am gonna stay away with it i am no way experienced to take on a compound like that, so if I dont take a second compound would upping my test dose be my best bet then?
As for the nutrition part i couldnt agree more, i made the mistake of lowering my gains achievement, I made great results what i was concerned about was a second compound, nonetheless i will consider your nutrition info at some point as i am a nutrition hungry guy! hah
Teutonic
New member
I just repped you for the MATURE approach to the criticism and READING.
Nice to see instead of.....gimme gimme
I will help you personally if u do not EWAR ME OUT; provided u ask q s that show you been doing your homework.
You can give a man a fish or you can.....
The Bible /Koran---lot of good -hit in there too son.
( son is a term of endearment)
Nice to see instead of.....gimme gimme
I will help you personally if u do not EWAR ME OUT; provided u ask q s that show you been doing your homework.
You can give a man a fish or you can.....
The Bible /Koran---lot of good -hit in there too son.
( son is a term of endearment)
Hypnotix
Well-known member
Op - to your response do you have a link to the KISS principle?
Keep It Simple Stupid
K. I. S. S
No need to over complicate things. Also, I would dial in your diet to where you're gaining or losing without the use of drugs, and then start cycle a few weeks following that. If you can't get the ball rolling without them, what will you do when you come off? Your body will absolutely require more calories to feed your lean mass, if you couldn't eat to gain before, you surely won't be capable of it when you need more calories!
Glad to see you're a half decent listener. Teutonic will rip you a new ass if you get out of line.
Keep It Simple Stupid
K. I. S. S
No need to over complicate things. Also, I would dial in your diet to where you're gaining or losing without the use of drugs, and then start cycle a few weeks following that. If you can't get the ball rolling without them, what will you do when you come off? Your body will absolutely require more calories to feed your lean mass, if you couldn't eat to gain before, you surely won't be capable of it when you need more calories!
Glad to see you're a half decent listener. Teutonic will rip you a new ass if you get out of line.
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