Skipping Test as a first timer?

[anVy]

Hey everyone end of summer is here and the winter time is coming and I plan on starting my cycle around November or December.

Here is my thought process: A friend of mine who is going for his doctorate in bio engineering is a brilliant kid who reads alot on steroids and suggested to me that I skip test because of my stature ( I am only 5'4) and I weigh a solid 156 now and am lean and have an overall good shape. He says that the test will make me blow up and will produce great results, but would prob make me funny looking.

He suggests I take something a lil more mild like EQ, or Primobolan, and run it with Anavar because he feels I would get some good gains but not be over the top and would put on much better lean mass. He also mentioned Trenbolone to me but I know nothing about it so am not too sure.

What do you think?

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

 

[anVy]

what do I make of that newbie? I am confused, your saying I def need test at least once?

 

[Biggin]

I think hes banging his head against a wall??? No Test??

 

[Bast]

Bullshit and you should never listen to him again, nor should you discuss steroids with him.

Test is, has always been, and will always be the best all-round steroid there is.

 

[Biggin]

Cosigns..

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

yea bro you need test fo sho! -and that is all you need. I understand your buddy may know a lot, but it sounds like he does not know much about AAS. Tren can cause nasty sides-it may not- but it can. Biggin will tell you that he is the tren master. There is nothing wrong with the AAS. you mentioned-you just need test with whatever you do. this is why you start with a test only cycle-because it will prob be the base of all future cycles. If I would have listened to my know it all friend on my first cycle I might have screwed myself up. Lesson learned educate yourself-then decide.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

your gains will depend more on diet than the type of AAS you choose.

 

[Biggin]

True..

 

[scouser5]

Go with Test E for 12weeks, you'll love the results! Just taper your diet to your goals.

 

[anVy]

perfect

That is exactly what I was thinking, and that is exactly what I kept trying to tell him but he kept contradicting me with all this stuff so I was completely lost...He gave a lot of knowledge but it just confused me.

My goals are to get stronger and more defined and a lil bit bigger, but mostly get that nice hardened out look with my muscle almost coming through the skin if ya know what I mean?...I just dont want to look like a meatball.

So if I eat a lil less without as much bulking stuff, like just more lean foods I should be ok ?

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

dude-you have to decide if you want to get a lil bigger or tighter, then adjust your diet to those goals. The test will just form an environment where your diet and training are much more effective. If you want to be proportionate than you must grow your muscles evenly.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

Ask your buddy this-If I don't put testosterone in my cycle, but the other AAS I am taking make my balls stop producing testosterone, then I will have 0 testosterone right?

 

[blakester]

Test is the best thats why you take steroids is for the testosterone it will make you feel so good and strong in mind and body . as for looking funny or disperportioned thats in how you train. It sounds like your buddy dosent know his ass from a hole in the ground I would forget his bullshit and talk to some guys on this website who know what they are talking about there are tons of info here. GOODLUCK!!

 

[Onehungrychicken]

Taking his advice is like listening to the fat out of shape guy on how to get ripped or the skinny kid on how to put on massa that you see and HEAR at every gym.

 

[anVy]

Lmao

All your responses have me laughing because I agree with all of you, that's why I started this thread!

He is beyond skinny and doesn't lift at all, he just is going for his doctorate at Rutgers so I figured I am out of his league as far as knowledge goes so maybe I should listen to what he says.

I am def gonna do the test, but he also stated that I should not take an estrogen or Aromatase inhibitor (AI) product because of how estrogen helps with growth hormones, and I totally disagreed with him on this...Reason being because the estrogen produces lots of nasty sides like acne, gyno, and bloating...I am thinking about using either nolva or proviron on cycle, because I do not want to toally inhibit the estrogen just want to stop the nasty sides, and this way seems to be best.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

All your responses have me laughing because I agree with all of you, that's why I started this thread!

He is beyond skinny and doesn't lift at all, he just is going for his doctorate at Rutgers so I figured I am out of his league as far as knowledge goes so maybe I should listen to what he says.

I am def gonna do the test, but he also stated that I should not take an estrogen or Aromatase inhibitor (AI) product because of how estrogen helps with growth hormones, and I totally disagreed with him on this...Reason being because the estrogen produces lots of nasty sides like acne, gyno, and bloating...I am thinking about using either nolva or proviron on cycle, because I do not want to toally inhibit the estrogen just want to stop the nasty sides, and this way seems to be best.

Your buddy maybe right about the estrogen and growth hormone I don't know the answer to that one.

I know that taking an Aromatase inhibitor (AI), like aromasin or Arimadex, will not completely rid your body of estrogen but it will limit the conversion of testosterone to estrogen.

I think your buddy means to say don't remove all estro from your system, you only need a small amount for the body to perform its day to day duties.

If you want to limit bloat and many of the other side effects that come from elevated levels of estrogen then you must take an Aromatase inhibitor (AI) to reduce estro.

Nolva is a SERM and should only be used for 2 reasons:

#1 If you get gyno symptoms-not prolactin related- you could take some nolva to stop the gyno from progressing until the Aromatase inhibitor (AI) you administer with it takes it's course to lower the level f estro in your system.

#2 PCT -clomid is better at re-starting your HPTA , although some get side effects from it that they do not like, in this case they opt for Nolva instead.

Nolva will limit gains (although to a small degree).

so this is what you should do:

get 20ml of testosterone enanthate or testosterone cypionate and take two separate injections a week. Take these injections 3 days apart.

Each injection should be 1ml as long as your test is dosed @ 250 mg/ml-which most of them are.

This means you will be taking 500mg a week for 10 weeks. during those 10 weeks you should also take Aromasin @ 12.5 mg every day.

then 2 weeks after your last injection, you will take 50mg every day of clomid for 30 days.

1-10 500 mg test per week
1-16 aromasin
13-16 clomid 50 mg ED

you can run the test for 12 weeks if you like.

 

[Teutonic]

Avoid tren till your waaay down the road as an experienced aas user dude. I thought I was somewhat knowledgeable having used a few times. It aint for beginners and even some experienced people cant tolerate it. Fuked my world up for 2 weeks.

 

[THE-DET-OAK]

What up german!

 

[anVy]

Your the man

Newbie thanks bro that really helps alot...that is exactly what I was looking for and wanted to do.

This makes the most sense, test with the aromasin or arimidex...def gonna do HCG on cycle only about 500 ius a week on sat and sun of each week to prevent the atrophy not too much tho so I dont de-sensitize completely...Clomids I have heard some negative things about but I am not sure which way I am leaning with them!